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  • 【画像】黙れドン太郎さんが1日に女の子とヤる回数wwwww
  • 熊本県民「ダムなんて要らねぇ!」国・県「おう、わかったわ」
  • 『鬼滅の刃』読んだけどこいつ何だったの? イノスケより意味不明な存在なんだけどwwww
  • 画像あり タイのロリ巨●がAVデビューwwwww
  • 【画像】このレイヤーさんのくびれ、美しすぎるwwwww
  • 【速報】欅坂46に緊急事態宣言が発令される
  • 麦わらの一味にカイドウの娘が入りそうやけどさ
  • 【悲報】女子アナさん、目を疑うレベルの透けブラをするww 他
  • ソニー「PSPlus10周年記念なので豪華なフリープレイタイトルを用意しました」 他
  • とあるレストランに予約を入れ、予約した日時に店に行って「今日の6時半に予約を入れてある○○ですが…
  • 【画像】九州豪雨、やっぱり出てきた「こういう奴」 他
  • 【朗報】モンハン受付嬢さん、ポリコレに屈せずエッチな衣装になる 他
  • カラオケでもう二度と誘わない奴の特徴wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww 他
  • 最近の軽自動車がマジで良くなってる 他
  • 【悲報】有名ゲーム実況者・こくじんさん、新型コロナに感染! 配信者に感染が続々と拡がっている模…
  • 【!?】地味にソシャゲで、「JK・JD・OL」と出会ってるなんJ民がいるって聞いたんだが・・・いった…
  • 【悲報】金正恩さん、何かがおかしい
  • 素麺とかいうこの世界で最もまずい食べ物wwwwwwww
  • 東京の携帯料金、やっぱり「世界最高」だった・・・
  • 【噂】『サイレントヒル』新作がPS5独占タイトルとして、8月のPSイベントで発表か
  • 【画像あり】桐谷美玲さん、ボーイッシュになる

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  • 【これマジ?】木下優樹菜、最後にヤバすぎる発言・・・
  • 【画像】ソフマップ、ガチでシコらせにくるwww
  • 【画像】小学生ぶん殴って逮捕された50歳男が乗ってたチャリ、バカにされて当然www
  • 【画像】ペットボトルのコーヒー、湯煎したら変なことになったwww
  • 【悲報】藤井七段、今日で終わりそう
  • 3歳の娘を放置したまま男とセックス旅行した梯沙希容疑者は母親なんかじゃない
  • 【朗報】竹内由恵アナウンサー、すごいwww

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櫻井よしこ氏ら「譲位ではなく摂政を」 天皇陛下の生前退位で有識者ヒアリング

   

1.名前: アキレス腱固め(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/ [FR]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 17:45:45.85 ID:kM5FYxRa0.net BE:468394346-PLT(15000) ポイント特典

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天皇陛下の生前退位に関して政府が設けた諮問機関
「天皇の公務の負担軽減等に関する有識者会議」が11月14日に行われ、
憲法や皇室制度の専門家らを招いた2度目のヒアリングが実施された。
この日は6人が意見を述べ、2人が退位に賛成。ジャーナリストの
櫻井よしこ氏ら4人が「譲位に反対」の立場から意見を述べた。

この日見解を提出したのは、渡部昇一・上智大名誉教授、
ジャーナリストで朝日新聞皇室担当特別嘱託の岩井克己氏、
笠原英彦・慶応大教授、ジャーナリストの櫻井よしこ氏、
石原信雄・元内閣官房副長官、今谷明・帝京大特任教授の6人だった。

■主な反対・慎重の意見

ジャーナリストの櫻井よしこ氏

天皇が世俗の権力の上位に立ち、見事に国民の心を統合したのが
明治維新。その折、先人たちは皇室と日本国の将来の安定のために
譲位の制度をやめた。国民の幸福と国家安寧の基軸である皇室には、
何よりも安定が必要。また、歴史を振り返れば譲位は度々政治利用されてきた。
祭祀に加えて、陛下はご自分なりの象徴天皇の在り方を模索される中で、
各地への旅を実践してこられた。しかし、次の世代の天皇は
自らの思いと使命感で自らの天皇像を創り上げて行かれるはず。
求められる再重要のことは、祭祀を大切にしてくださる一点に尽きる。
恒例の陛下への配慮は当然だが、国家のあり方の問題は別である。

http://www.huffingtonpost.jp/2016/11/14/seizen2_n_12975800.html

2.名前: 頭突き(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [IN]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 17:46:47.76 ID:w5+9Hsws0.net

女系推進の笠原まで譲位でなく摂政をって言ったのはビックリしたわ
いろいろこんがらがってるな

3.名前: 男色ドライバー(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 17:47:41.43 ID:kR0gnURv0.net

「皇太子夫妻が仕事しろ!」
って思ってても誰も言えないんだろうなぁ

4.名前: 魔神風車固め(北海道)@\(^o^)/ [CN]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 17:47:43.33 ID:FMSESK7k0.net

明確に憲法違反だしね

憲法改正しないと無理

5.名前: 逆落とし(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 17:49:24.59 ID:8cN8DmMX0.net

ヒアリング対象の有識者
http://i.imgur.com/RPlPyiv.jpg

6.名前: キングコングラリアット(空)@\(^o^)/ [KR]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 17:49:37.86 ID:vhJ87vsA0.net

な櫻井よしこが天皇の取り決めしてんのか

7.名前: キドクラッチ(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [MN]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 17:50:13.40 ID:TEjuAI/50.net

>>1
誤字多すぎ死ね

8.名前: ハーフネルソンスープレックス(庭)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 17:51:25.95 ID:Q6/pdzMP0.net

>>1
櫻井ってジャーナリストでもない、皇室制度の専門家でもないヤツに聞いてどうすんだよ

9.名前: サソリ固め(福島県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 17:54:56.54 ID:7JmCziMZ0.net

でも陛下ご自身が摂政嫌がってんだよなぁ(´・ω・`)
お気持ちは分かる、象徴としての格式が無いんだからな

10.名前: 膝十字固め(石川県)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 17:55:13.45 ID:68LikV880.net

陛下は摂政じゃアカンって言ってるんじゃないの?

11.名前: バーニングハンマー(茸)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 17:55:18.49 ID:mPlWngaT0.net

オリンピック終わるまで耐えてくだせぇ後生です陛下

スポンサーリンク

12.名前: ローリングソバット(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [BR]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 17:57:34.85 ID:48z/tpnO0.net

孝明天皇暗殺で天皇の家系は途絶えてるのだからもう廃位でいいだろ。
なりすまし良くない。

13.名前: バックドロップ(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 17:59:53.04 ID:x3vsK6hs0.net

公務減らして天皇続ければ問題ないのに
おボケになられたのかもしれんな

14.名前: カーフブランディング(茸)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:01:51.07 ID:NkugyvFb0.net

この人達は陛下の「おことば」を見なかったの?

15.名前: カーフブランディング(岡山県)@\(^o^)/ [UA]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:02:44.22 ID:l3mqHYiO0.net

>>11
いっそ皇太子より長生きしてくだされば・・・

16.名前: クロスヒールホールド(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:03:58.43 ID:CRMnNVGZ0.net

皇太子夫妻が働かないからなぁー
どこいくのもセットが当たり前だからなぁー
雅子様がご病気だからなぁー
秋篠宮ご一家もかなり割くって働いてるが、なんせ時期天皇の皇太子夫妻がね…っとは言えないのがなぁー
ダイアナ妃みたいにならなきゃいいけどな…

17.名前: アイアンクロー(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:04:27.46 ID:vO9t/DwE0.net

>>13
公務は完全引退でいいわ
公の場に出なくていい
陛下は存在してるだけでいい

18.名前: チェーン攻撃(福島県)@\(^o^)/ [MX]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:05:02.85 ID:VZor10rx0.net

摂政だと意味がないんじゃないかな?
そもそも「天皇陛下がが崩御する」という事態を避けたいと思ってるのが根本でしょ?

19.名前: クロスヒールホールド(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:05:24.05 ID:CRMnNVGZ0.net

>>17
これでいけるのは皇太子夫妻が動けるのが前提。

20.名前: クロイツラス(京都府)@\(^o^)/ [JP]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:07:07.30 ID:QK7lup6g0.net

>>10
そう言ってたよ

21.名前: キドクラッチ(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [MN]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:10:32.30 ID:TEjuAI/50.net

>>10
言ってたな。

だから外野はその可否や、
進めるためには何が必要なのかを話すだけでいいはずなのに、
なんで「摂政」なんて話が出てくるのか甚だ疑問。

22.名前: キングコングラリアット(空)@\(^o^)/ [KR]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:13:02.53 ID:vhJ87vsA0.net

結局、天皇は自分ではなに一つできない、櫻井らの方が遥か上にいるんだな

23.名前: キングコングラリアット(空)@\(^o^)/ [KR]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:15:18.24 ID:vhJ87vsA0.net

はっ、もしかして

生前退位自身、誰かに言わされてんの?

24.名前: ファルコンアロー(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [AR]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:16:12.68 ID:HCaidKgi0.net

天皇制自体制度疲労おこしてるだろ

もうすこし皇室の負担をどんどん軽減する方向にしないと、天皇制自体なくなるぞ

25.名前: ツームストンパイルドライバー(茸)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:16:29.90 ID:+gOkSEJy0.net

そんな殺生な

26.名前: エルボードロップ(西日本)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:18:21.69 ID:pxEoEPAq0.net

それが一番無難なんだけど、陛下もそれを承知で望まれてるんだから難しい。

27.名前: シューティングスタープレス(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:20:18.15 ID:lqJpNllc0.net

じゃあ院政でお願いします

28.名前: ファイヤーバードスプラッシュ(岐阜県)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:21:24.12 ID:mGGislCU0.net

上皇でいいだろ

29.名前: 腕ひしぎ十字固め(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:25:56.22 ID:ynZV27WE0.net

現行に従えば太上天皇じゃなくて平成天皇だろう。

30.名前: 毒霧(青森県)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:27:48.53 ID:mjIhVrfX0.net

譲位でいいよ。

隣の山田さんもそう言ってたし。

31.名前: ファイヤーバードスプラッシュ(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:28:56.34 ID:cHsIvN1g0.net

あの人は「天皇の立場のままで死ぬ」ことを避けたいんだろ。
現役天皇が死ぬのと元天皇が死ぬのは重さが違うから。

勝手な想像だけど、こないだのローマ法王が退位したのがかなり影響あるんじゃないかな。

32.名前: 断崖式ニードロップ(鳥取県)@\(^o^)/ [CN]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:30:32.61 ID:QvkvhG1k0.net

雅子が政子に改名とか?

33.名前: バズソーキック(福井県)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:31:09.43 ID:Yz6dvifx0.net

大正天皇の頃はしゃべるのも難しい容態だったから摂政を立てたわけで
いまそれをやるということは陛下に対する大変な侮辱になるんだけど分かってんのかね

大体本人が摂政じゃダメなんだ、って言ってるだろ
陛下のお気持ちに沿った法改正がなされるべき

34.名前: ダイビングエルボードロップ(長崎県)@\(^o^)/ [HU]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:32:57.76 ID:odbTPuX00.net

摂政で対応するのが一番合理的なので
陛下の希望があろうがしょうがない

35.名前: トラースキック(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:33:39.02 ID:OY8bpAUG0.net

摂政いうて誰がやるん?
政治はもうやらんのやから何をやるんか?

36.名前: エルボーバット(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:33:39.39 ID:8SHuYnYI0.net

東京オリンピックのとき
ポックリいくのが、一番まずい

37.名前: グロリア(愛知県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:34:22.24 ID:vagn19900.net

ほんとこれ
死ぬまでやめられないのが天皇だよ
体つらいしやめさせてくれなんて甘え
お前のために死んだ数百万人のことを思えば
とても辞めたいなんて言えないはず

38.名前: ダイビングエルボードロップ(長崎県)@\(^o^)/ [HU]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:35:12.08 ID:odbTPuX00.net

改善ポイントがあるとすれば
皇室会議じゃなく、皇族会議の無記名投票
恨みっこ無しで摂政を選任するようにすればいい
これで変な思惑は入り込まない

39.名前: アイアンクロー(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:35:40.79 ID:vO9t/DwE0.net

>>19
じゃ、生前退位も不可能じゃん

40.名前: 膝靭帯固め(福岡県)@\(^o^)/ [EU]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:36:05.42 ID:jQWvJJS70.net

>>21
それ天皇の政治介入じゃん

41.名前: 断崖式ニードロップ(鳥取県)@\(^o^)/ [CN]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:36:31.07 ID:QvkvhG1k0.net

>>31
それが一番大きいと思う。
バブル期の昭和天皇崩御の時の自粛ムードがすごかったけど、
今同じ事が起きたらどうるか、想像すらできんな。

42.名前: ダイビングエルボードロップ(長崎県)@\(^o^)/ [HU]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:36:37.90 ID:odbTPuX00.net

まぁ摂政は順当に皇太子や秋篠宮だろうしな

43.名前: セントーン(内モンゴル自治区)@\(^o^)/ [JP]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:40:13.63 ID:mijUIss5O.net

>>37
今上は終戦時、11歳の少年に過ぎない

44.名前: 稲妻レッグラリアット(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/ [DE]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:40:26.97 ID:12+6QqX/0.net

口では尊皇愛国と言いながら、その実、天皇の意思を踏みにじって
自分たちの主義主張を押し通す人たち。まさに戦前軍部の末裔だね。

45.名前: ダイビングエルボードロップ(長崎県)@\(^o^)/ [HU]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:41:46.37 ID:odbTPuX00.net

>>44
今、議論は
「特措法だと今上のわがままだと取られかねない」とかなってる

46.名前: ジャンピングDDT(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:41:51.99 ID:qzDHKa7O0.net

陛下の御意志を尊重しようとしないとか何考えてんだ?
何様のつもりよ

47.名前: キドクラッチ(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [MN]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:42:31.19 ID:TEjuAI/50.net

>>40
それがダメならダメって言えばいいんじゃねーの?

48.名前: ジャンピングエルボーアタック(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:42:42.22 ID:aWGYVUvG0.net

天皇が如何に嫌だって言っても、そこは制度に従っていただかないと…。

摂政設置なら、実質隠居だから問題ないと思うけど。

49.名前: 雪崩式ブレーンバスター(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:46:36.89 ID:6yf2DXWg0.net

こんな奴に聞いてどうすんの
天皇だって人間って定義されてるんだったら辞める自由があってもいいんじゃねーの
本人差し置いて外野が決めるってのがどうかしてる
本人の希望通りに適当に法律でっち上げりゃいい

50.名前: グロリア(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:47:00.30 ID:T+hYNZQD0.net

櫻井よしこはダメだな
陛下を奴隷的立場から
解放して差し上げるという気持ちがないとは

51.名前: ファイヤーボールスプラッシュ(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:48:21.71 ID:xwTwaxnC0.net

自分で勝手に仕事増やして出来なくなったから退位したいておかしくないですかとか言ってた東大教授は怖い物知らずだな

52.名前: ビッグブーツ(広西チワン族自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:49:41.81 ID:1gM7M17sO.net

自分の意思で退位できることを示して皇太子に決断を迫る
皇室典範で離婚が許されなくても法律は変えられる

雅子離婚待ったなし

53.名前: ダイビングエルボードロップ(長崎県)@\(^o^)/ [HU]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:49:55.79 ID:odbTPuX00.net

>>51
仕事が増えたのは宮内庁利権も大いにあるのに
本当にその教授は大丈夫か

54.名前: グロリア(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:50:37.48 ID:T+hYNZQD0.net

>>48
>摂政設置なら、実質隠居だから問題ないと思うけど。
天皇陛下のお言葉の本意を理解していない奴大杉
死ぬまで天皇だと天皇が死ぬということが起こるので
どうしても大喪の儀を催さねばならないがこれが大変過ぎる
当然ながら崩御のあと次の天皇が即位するまで天皇は不在になる
これは象徴天皇という存在を一時的にせよ失うわけで好ましくない
まあ自分は象徴天皇でなく歴史的天皇の位置づけであっても
好ましいものとは思えないけどな

55.名前: サソリ固め(愛知県)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:50:43.87 ID:o/KnKdTu0.net

>>9
摂政だと雅子がサボるの目に見えてるから困ってるんだよ
譲位してちゃんと雅子が公務するかどうかを見届けてからじゃないと死ぬに死ねないというのが真相

56.名前: ボマイェ(庭)@\(^o^)/ [ID]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:51:11.79 ID:i51Mqs2h0.net

摂政じゃ嫌だ天皇辞めたいねんってアキヒトくんが自分で言ってんじゃん

右翼の論客自らが天皇の意思より、制度の堅守を尊重してんだ
ある意味では象徴天皇が徹底されているとも言えるな

57.名前: キン肉バスター(茸)@\(^o^)/ [GB]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:51:21.46 ID:KnKOD4ch0.net

退位とか言うからなんか否定的にとらえられがちだけど、譲位だろ
正しい表現で統一すべき

58.名前: 腕ひしぎ十字固め(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:52:12.25 ID:ynZV27WE0.net

>>55
譲位したら終わっちゃうじゃん

59.名前: グロリア(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/11/16(水) 18:52:48.31 ID:T+hYNZQD0.net

>>54
>大喪の儀
大喪の礼だったっけね

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