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安倍「徴兵制は苦役にあたるので禁止されてる」石破「国の判断で出来るけど?禁止されてないよ」

   

1.名前: かかと落とし(東京都)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:24:13.05 ID:La344Qk10●.net BE:811370815-PLT(16000) ポイント特典

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横畠裕介内閣法制局長官が「憲法上禁止されている」と答弁した。
これを受けて、寺田議員は「だから、明示的に書いていないから認められる余地があるという
高村副総裁の論法は不誠実だと思う」と指摘した。

また、徴兵制については、石破茂地方創生担当大臣が「徴兵制をとるかどうかはその国の政策判断。
日本では徴兵制は憲法違反という人がいるがそんな議論は世界中どこにもないと憲法調査会で述べている」と
政府・閣内でも解釈に違いかがあることを指摘した。
安倍晋三総理は国会答弁で、徴兵制は苦役にあたるので憲法で禁止されていると断言している。

現行憲法では徴兵は国民の義務であり、苦役には当たらないと政府が解釈変更し、閣議決定すれば、
集団的自衛権行使の容認と同様の論法で、徴兵制がとれることになる。
禁止であれば禁止と明示して担保することが必要になりそう。(編集担当:森高龍二)

徴兵 法制局長官は憲法禁止、石破氏は政策判断
http://daily.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1434416416/20140710160857isiab

2.名前: パイルドライバー(愛知県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:25:02.01 ID:u0HDTVlX0.net

どっちだよw

3.名前: 河津掛け(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:25:11.52 ID:Mk7hFtxs0.net

安倍「じゃあ石破お前いけ」

4.名前: かかと落とし(宮崎県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:27:31.19 ID:rEjozMGN0.net

どっちでも構わないけど、現状で徴兵は現実的じゃないよね
かなり長期間の訓練期間をおかないと兵隊として役に立たんでしょ

5.名前: アキレス腱固め(大阪府)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:27:58.15 ID:J6grYgs40.net

戦いたくないでござるの国が徴兵とか意味が分からないからね

6.名前: シューティングスタープレス(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:29:17.68 ID:Iu3SwPre0.net

集団的自衛権を認めないなら徴兵制だろうな
集団的自衛権を捨てたスイスは実際そうしてる

7.名前: 垂直落下式DDT(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:31:39.65 ID:6lGNF0qd0.net

お国のために貢献できるんだから苦役ではありません
戦前か

8.名前: かかと落とし(宮崎県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:33:47.20 ID:rEjozMGN0.net

>>6
自主防衛、武装中立路線かね?
教育カリキュラムを根底から変えて、最低でも30年時間をかけないと達成しないぞ
テレビ放送も一回全部リセットする必要あるわ
あと何よりレッドパージが必要

要するに不可能だ

9.名前: ジャンピングパワーボム(禿)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:37:39.08 ID:3/l6pjDv0.net

F欄のゼミでももう少しまともなレベル。
こりゃ専門家のご意見に従うべきですよ。

10.名前: パロスペシャル(北海道)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:37:39.12 ID:RWlTj6ap0.net

よくわかんないけど職業選択の自由は関係ないのか

11.名前: マシンガンチョップ(dion軍)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:39:41.21 ID:Hucenvqo0.net

徴兵されたら味方撃つわ(´・ω・`)

スポンサーリンク

12.名前: シューティングスタープレス(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:43:12.70 ID:Iu3SwPre0.net

>.>8
でも学者様が仰るように集団的自衛権が違憲なら
もう日本をスイス化する以外なくて
スイスのように小学校から児童にゲリラ戦のやり方指導しなきゃならんよね

13.名前: 膝十字固め(茨城県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:44:33.85 ID:Sz4aBts60.net

今から徴兵したとしても2年くらいみっちり訓練してしごかないと使い物にならない
今の自由な風潮で若者が国防意識で国に尽くすとも思えないけどなw

14.名前: ボマイェ(東京都)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:44:38.59 ID:mIV481mp0.net

憲法27条の勤労を兵役と解釈すればいい

15.名前: 稲妻レッグラリアット(大阪府)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:47:21.84 ID:A8KsLZlS0.net

どっちも自民党の議員さんだからどっちも正しいよ

16.名前: かかと落とし(宮崎県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:47:53.96 ID:rEjozMGN0.net

>>12
せんせー!指導できる奴がいませんっ!

国家形態を根底から変える事になるわけで、法整備やら何やらでもー大変
ようやく着手した頃には、もう九州や四国には五星紅旗が翻ってますよ
集団的自衛権の方がまだ現実的ですって

17.名前: 16文キック(兵庫県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:48:18.10 ID:jf1McbJ50.net

先進国の軍隊は志願制でいいよ
一定期間務め上げた人には栄誉とか特権の附与をしたらいい

18.名前: ダイビングフットスタンプ(会社)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:49:41.49 ID:bv+hQcvU0.net

石破って安倍の脚引っ張ってんの?

19.名前: トペ スイシーダ(新疆ウイグル自治区)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:49:54.85 ID:C+v9HJQ20.net

そも、徴兵なんてのは経済その他への打撃を全部受け入れてでも
下っ端の兵隊を大量に用意しないといけない国でしか使い道がない
だから現代では戦時体制の国以外では片っ端からやめたかやめる方向で縮小中

20.名前: 膝十字固め(茨城県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:50:01.25 ID:Sz4aBts60.net

アメリカでさえ徴兵なんてやってないっていうw

21.名前: 栓抜き攻撃(青森県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:50:36.72 ID:eZN5wCr40.net

もう無茶苦茶だな
アメリカに夏までに法案通します!なんて無茶な約束するからだよ
安倍は最早ルーピーより下

22.名前: シューティングスタープレス(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:50:58.09 ID:Iu3SwPre0.net

>>16
集団的自衛権の方が現実的も何も
他国との同盟関係とは集団的自衛権なわけで

学者様が仰るように
集団的自衛権が違憲なら日米安保は違憲なわけですよ
米軍基地の存在が違憲ですから
そうなったらスイスから軍事顧問団を派遣してもらって
徴兵制導入して
小さいころから軍事を叩きこまないと国家が成り立つわけがない

23.名前: ミッドナイトエクスプレス(福井県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:51:06.48 ID:9ndSYdH90.net

徴兵されたらまたこの国を敗戦に追い込んでやるわ
内側からな

24.名前: ニーリフト(千葉県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:51:19.10 ID:HzOYPH9U0.net

徴兵じゃなくて年齢とか条件を広げて採用を増やせばいいじゃん
おっさんでも出来る仕事ない?

25.名前: イス攻撃(青森県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:51:43.76 ID:nmhjwWjS0.net

安倍「どうせ俺の身内は戦争に行かせないから問題ない」

26.名前: シューティングスタープレス(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:53:00.08 ID:Iu3SwPre0.net

スイスが国民に徹底的に教育してるのが焦土作戦で
攻めて来た敵に一切の利益を与えないことを叩きこむ

あなたの街が敵の手に落ちそうになったら
自分の手で自分の街を破壊しつくす義務が生じるわけです

27.名前: シューティングスタープレス(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:54:42.74 ID:Iu3SwPre0.net

京都に住んでる人は大変と思いますよ
歴史的遺産も全て破壊しなきゃならないんですから

28.名前: フランケンシュタイナー(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:55:13.73 ID:gfcwtpzZ0.net

>>13
米軍は支援部隊に、みっちり訓練したとは言えない州兵を動員したよ。
いわゆる後方支援に

29.名前: レッドインク(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:56:48.70 ID:qSVVxxvD0.net

投票年齢18歳引き下げって、
徴兵制の始まりと思ってたけどやっぱそうだったか。
18歳を大人の基準にしておかないと、徴兵できないもんな。

30.名前: キングコングニードロップ(庭)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:57:04.53 ID:QxSJxUXs0.net

徴兵制も普通の徴兵は拒否権あったり代換業務で済むからな
韓国・北朝鮮・トルコの3カ国だけが世界でも珍しい強制される徴兵制
在日は徴兵って聞くとすぐに韓国の強制徴兵を思い浮かべてしまう

31.名前: トペ スイシーダ(新疆ウイグル自治区)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:57:15.66 ID:C+v9HJQ20.net

>>20
アメリカどころか中国でさえやってないw

32.名前: 栓抜き攻撃(青森県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:58:19.12 ID:eZN5wCr40.net

思うんだけど、日本の軍国化ってアメリカや西側の国にとっても脅威だと思うんだが、
あいつら真珠湾攻撃の事を忘れてんのかな

33.名前: シューティングスタープレス(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:58:50.78 ID:Iu3SwPre0.net

>>30
拒否権があるならそれは志願兵じゃないの?

34.名前: 膝十字固め(茨城県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:58:56.55 ID:Sz4aBts60.net

>>28
世界中に15万も兵力だしてるからな

35.名前: エクスプロイダー(東京都)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:59:10.35 ID:G3SZZGb80.net

法治国家でねぇなこの国は情けない
軍備は維持しないと言いながら自衛隊があるし
売春はダメだと言いながら性風俗店があるし
賭博はダメだと言いながらパチンコ屋が日本中いたるところにあるし
情けない情けない

36.名前: クロスヒールホールド(福島県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 17:59:37.24 ID:VmdNkIN40.net

>>25
どうみても石破の台詞なんですがそれは…

37.名前: ボ ラギノール(西日本)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 18:01:36.55 ID:TPHk8uPe0.net

60歳以上の年金を半分以上取り上げないと財源的に無理だな

38.名前: シューティングスタープレス(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 18:02:05.87 ID:Iu3SwPre0.net

>>31
中国は徴兵制ですよ
徴兵の枠は地方ごとに数を割り振ってます

39.名前: チェーン攻撃(空)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/16(火) 18:02:17.29 ID:Lc0vH41f0.net

憲法なんて有事の際にはいくらでもねじ曲げられる
国民総兵隊だよ、逃げるなよ非国民
先ずは徴兵でそのねじ曲がった根性叩き直してもらえ

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