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ドカタの求人倍率5.5倍。これ雇用改善とかそういう話なのか?

   

1.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(禿)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:18:33.14 ID:1mutKhpX0.net BE:226456927-PLT(12522) BE:226456927-PLT(12522)


「建築・土木・測量技術者(建設技術者)」
の有効求人倍率の推移を長期時系列で見ると図表1となる。
リーマンショック後の2009年には0.84倍と人手は余っている状況であったが、
その後、景気が回復基調で推移する中、2011年以降は一気に上昇した。
昨年、2016年の1月は4.58倍という非常に高い倍率でスタートし、
4月には4.10倍に低下して落ち着いたかに見えたが、
その後、上昇に転じた。
9月にはついに5倍台に突入し、11月には5.47倍にまで達した。

画像 グラフ
http://i.imgur.com/rQRycCb.jpg
2 建設工事
http://i.imgur.com/heX4I3Q.jpg
3 土木工事
http://i.imgur.com/NVj156n.jpg

https://dime.jp/genre/343275/?first=1

すき家のゼンショーHD社長
「3K仕事やりたがらない」

人手不足に悩む外食大手ゼンショー
ホールディングスの小川賢太郎社長は
「日本人はだんだん3K(きつい、きたない、危険)
の仕事をやりたがらなくなっている」
と嘆く。

http://news.livedoor.com/lite/article_detail/8833343/

2.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(関東・甲信越)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:19:26.37 ID:Twxz5fKRO.net

あべのせいだろこれ

3.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [AU]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:21:08.59 ID:6k9EjLwc0.net

安倍のせいと言うより二階のせいだわ

4.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(空)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:21:30.45 ID:bcDiEFIS0.net

マスコミが土建屋を必要以上に叩いた結果だから

5.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:21:56.91 ID:5bm50tJr0.net

ゼンショーて、飲食はまだやりようがあるだろ。

6.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [CN]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:21:57.35 ID:+vEZ/H1H0.net

>>1
>「日本人はだんだん3K(きつい、きたない、危険)
>の仕事をやりたがらなくなっている」

やりたがる人なんて前からいねーだろ・・・

7.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [HK]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:22:27.20 ID:MvI95jR60.net

安倍のせい、というか安倍のおかげというか

8.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [BR]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:22:54.48 ID:okcqUt8P0.net

よかったこれで無用なFラン大学を潰せる

9.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:23:53.44 ID:k26ilFjz0.net

キツイ汚い危険それに加えて賃金出さないからだろ

10.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [TW]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:23:57.90 ID:J4dgYYo50.net

やりたがる人が減ってるんじゃなく
やれる人が減ってるんだよ
少子化なんだからその手の仕事のカサが減るのは当たり前

11.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [HK]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:24:38.00 ID:MvI95jR60.net

>>4
だよなあ
コンクリートから人へ、とか言って公共工事干したから干上がった土方がみんな逃げちゃったのよ
政治が変わることで仕事が増減する業界なんてまっぴらだわ、って政策が変わって景気が戻って
仕事が増えても戻ってくる土方があんまりいないのよ

スポンサーリンク

12.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(空)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:24:38.51 ID:Dpb5rGXF0.net

奴隷の求人が増えてる

13.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:25:11.21 ID:v64MD9+30.net

震災の前までは若いのを育てる余裕が無いとのたまってたウチの会社

現場社員が50代60代で退職相次ぎ本当ヤバい

14.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:26:03.94 ID:ZAFCPOxh0.net

今現場では足場屋の取り合いだよ
鳶がほんとに不足してる
若い時にしかできない仕事だからなぁ

15.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:26:21.78 ID:6z2gDen00.net

>>13
そうなんだよな
重機に乗れる若いのが少なくて将来がヤバイ

16.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(禿)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:26:21.98 ID:1mutKhpX0.net BE:226456927-PLT(12522)


ヤバイってか事業縮小で倒産するよ、どこもそういう意味では大手企業でも経営危機なんだけど

17.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:26:33.43 ID:bgZ6A6d80.net

だからさぁ、出すもん出せよアホ

金出さずに働けとかフザケンナ!

18.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(茨城県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:27:01.03 ID:zJMIw9MZ0.net

45分労働15分休憩×4で日給4万円くらいにすれば人集まる

19.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:27:44.88 ID:wFA408Am0.net

>>17
結構出してるだろ

20.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(茨城県)@\(^o^)/ [CN]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:27:55.82 ID:3IWJnNaL0.net

五輪が悪い
需給バランスが崩れた

21.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:28:18.23 ID:rAOMnVnH0.net

汚いきついを若者がやりたがらない、じゃねーよ馬鹿
汚いきついなら相応の賃金出せよ
日給5万出せば人が集まらないわけなかろう

22.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [PL]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:28:29.55 ID:g2Eb+QEE0.net

土方なんて底辺なんかいらねーだろ

23.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:29:09.03 ID:6z2gDen00.net

>>22
お前知らんだろうがドカタが一番平均年収に近いんだぞ

24.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(新疆ウイグル自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:29:18.39 ID:dN245X8q0.net

40歳で引退してもいいくらいの賃金出せば来るよ

25.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:29:35.35 ID:v64MD9+30.net

>>16
そう、現に人出せないからと上層部で仕事断り始めてる

26.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(長屋)@\(^o^)/ [HK]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:30:05.60 ID:7XXnAGc20.net

土方は実は給料良いぞ

27.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:30:16.16 ID:wFA408Am0.net

>>21
仮にそうしたら、その分他で人手が不足するだろ?
で、お前は馬鹿だからまた金をケチるなとか日当6万出せと言う

28.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [FR]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:30:19.77 ID:9q2d51L00.net

高度経済成長期はこんな感じだったんだろうな

29.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:30:37.66 ID:Dhb8ZM6z0.net

でも、未経験者が30過ぎてから始められないけどな!
求人もねえよ!
派遣ならあるけど

30.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(禿)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:30:50.53 ID:1mutKhpX0.net BE:226456927-PLT(12522)


>>25
でも正社員の労働者は簡単に切れないからな、給与払えなくて潰れるよ

31.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:30:51.65 ID:CA50Zssw0.net

45だけど今から職人になれる?
今の仕事のスキルが陳腐化してもうやってけそうもない。
ちなみにガリでコミュ障な。

32.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [JP]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:30:52.53 ID:RHntz2gm0.net

土方の求人が増えてるって事は、それだけこれからの事に投資してるって事

33.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:30:55.48 ID:qEgRukP40.net

当時現役バリバリだった奴らが俺らだけでもいけっから!と宣っていざ老けてきたら若い者が居ないとか抜かしやがる
建設系に限らずどこの企業も同じ状態
リストラ~氷河期で人を育てる増やすを怠ったゴミどもの末路よ

34.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:31:13.39 ID:nukB6/0e0.net

ヤンキーが減った結果
オタクが増えても社会の役に立たない

35.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [CN]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:31:20.99 ID:IOCjhMl/0.net

少子化に加え、大卒が多すぎるから。
トップクラスはいいが、何とかコミュニケーション学部とか
国際何とか学部とか必要かね?
本来なら土方をやるような若者が親の財力で大学に行くので
卒業後にわざわざ肉体労働をやることはない。

36.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(茸)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:31:22.28 ID:xJijTIvw0.net

警備員頼んだら人がいないから出せないってさ
警備員も人手不足かよ

37.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(新疆ウイグル自治区)@\(^o^)/ [GB]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:31:47.93 ID:U5JvxAF10.net

>>31
無理

38.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:31:48.63 ID:6z2gDen00.net

>>31
体力的に無理だろうな
だが若い奴は大学や専門学校なんぞ行かずにドカタ行け
そしたら普通に飯は食っていける

39.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:32:00.45 ID:wFA408Am0.net

>>34
オタクって一番いらない人種だもんな
内向的で引きこもりがちでな粗大ゴミ

40.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:32:52.92 ID:wFA408Am0.net

>>31
内装屋とかならいけるんじゃないかな
都内とかかなり人手が足りてないから重宝されるぞ

41.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:32:59.47 ID:ZAFCPOxh0.net

>>34
それはあるな
給料は月に15万もあれば十分だからできるだけ楽な仕事で休みいっぱい欲しい
こういう層が多いからなぁ単純に給料あげたらなんてのはもう一昔前の話だよ
そりゃ日給3万も4万も払えば働く奴は出てくるだろうが流石に現実的じゃない

42.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(関西地方)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:33:06.16 ID:DYvfsb+r0.net

年収1000万行くならみんなやるだろ
アホみたいにしんどい思いして300万ぽっちならやるわけない

43.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:33:09.02 ID:1BlXynf10.net

さんざんマスコミさまが叩いた結果だ
災害多い国なのにな

44.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [HK]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:33:27.83 ID:MvI95jR60.net

>>24
今は日給3万円ぐらいはあたりまえに出してるから一人親方なら60万円ぐらいになんだろ
年商700万円で経費使いたい放題だから若い時からやってたら50歳には引退できる仕事だよ

45.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:33:59.75 ID:jP1/69130.net

>>4
ニュー速にすら公共事業悪玉論が未だに蔓延ってるからなw

46.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:33:59.91 ID:6z2gDen00.net

>>42
だから年齢と共に重機乗りに出世していくんだよ
爺さんになるまでスコップで働くのは本当の底辺だけ

47.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:34:00.57 ID:wFA408Am0.net

>>42
関西の職人ってそんなに給料安いの?
都内とかだと日当2~2.5万くらいって聞くけど

48.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [JP]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:34:31.86 ID:pqoFcZL/0.net

近所の工事現場で70代後半か80代っぽいお婆さんが警備員やってた(´・ω・`;)

49.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [HK]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:34:36.92 ID:MvI95jR60.net

>>31
ぎりぎりかなあ
土方は無理でもボード屋とか軽鉄屋の見習い手元雑工から始めれば普通にできると思うが

50.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:35:20.27 ID:NlHd596K0.net

無駄にプライド高い大卒増やした小泉のせい

51.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:35:37.85 ID:ZAFCPOxh0.net

>>47
関西でも22000円くらいあるよ
ただそれは一人前の職人だからね
最初の仕事覚えるまでの期間を耐えられないんだよ今は

52.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(茸)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:35:38.64 ID:gsdKiV4z0.net

石綿除去とかどうよ。( ・ω・)
この季節ヤバイけど。

53.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:35:49.25 ID:TCj5MVQO0.net

肉体労働はキツイ

54.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:35:56.58 ID:WsmkoB3V0.net

>>28
現場の職人の奪い合い、囲い込みな

土建屋の奥さんがゼネコンの社員から毛皮のコート貰ったり
子供がゲーム機やラジコン貰ったり

55.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:36:00.86 ID:wFA408Am0.net

>>52
体壊しそうだからなぁ

56.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(埼玉県)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:36:03.44 ID:mxyX7Tga0.net

>>20
本当そう
東北にだけに集中しとけば良かったのに
あと既存の寿命越えた、迎えたインフラの再整備に

57.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(禿)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:36:09.81 ID:1mutKhpX0.net BE:226456927-PLT(12522)


>>48
確か法律で置かなきゃいけないことになってるから
足りないと工事できなくてインフラが維持できない。公務員にでもやらせりゃいいのに

58.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:36:26.16 ID:ZAFCPOxh0.net

ケイテンなら40から始めてもいいんじゃね?
特に不足してるから仕事ならバンバンあるよ

59.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [HK]sage
投稿日:2017/07/10(月) 11:36:50.98 ID:MvI95jR60.net

>>47
関西は安いよ
なんだかんだいって震災特需、東京五輪特需だから関東から東北だけ好景気

大阪の職人が東京に出てきて、「宿泊費込みでこっちの人工代だけでいいですから仕事ください」
って言ってるよ

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