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  • 熊本県民「ダムなんて要らねぇ!」国・県「おう、わかったわ」
  • 『鬼滅の刃』読んだけどこいつ何だったの? イノスケより意味不明な存在なんだけどwwww
  • 画像あり タイのロリ巨●がAVデビューwwwww
  • 【画像】このレイヤーさんのくびれ、美しすぎるwwwww
  • 【速報】欅坂46に緊急事態宣言が発令される
  • 麦わらの一味にカイドウの娘が入りそうやけどさ
  • ポケモンで最初にレベルあげまくってジム戦無双するやつwwwwww
  • とあるレストランに予約を入れ、予約した日時に店に行って「今日の6時半に予約を入れてある○○ですが…
  • 【画像】九州豪雨、やっぱり出てきた「こういう奴」 他
  • 【朗報】モンハン受付嬢さん、ポリコレに屈せずエッチな衣装になる 他
  • カラオケでもう二度と誘わない奴の特徴wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww 他
  • 最近の軽自動車がマジで良くなってる 他
  • 【画像】165cm細身巨乳美脚さん、完璧な身体を見せつけるww 他
  • 【悲報】大学生だが、インターン先の『美人な人事』をデートに誘った結果wwwwwwww 他
  • 【画像】床上浸水には「水のう」が最強だった。水害経験者のTwitter投稿が話題に!!
  • 「餃子の王将」に週4で通ってる者なんだけど
  • バツイチ子持ちと付き合ってるんだけど最近辛い
  • 【相場】右往左往したもののダウは引け時にプラス ドル円は円高、クロス円は円安に
  • 13歳の女の子が化粧して彼氏とデートに行っちゃう時代
  • 日本のスマホ(価格E、デザインD、性能E、使いやすさD)←こいつらがいる理由
  • 【悲報】こどおじ俺くん、給付金を親に管理されてしまう

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  • 【これマジ?】木下優樹菜、最後にヤバすぎる発言・・・
  • 【画像】ソフマップ、ガチでシコらせにくるwww
  • 【画像】警官「水位上昇してるので逃げてください!」陽キャ「殴るぞ!失せろ田舎者が!」
  • 【悲報】藤井七段、今日で終わりそう
  • 【悲報】「呪怨」最新作のレ○プシーンにフェミ女がブチ切れしてしまうwww
  • 【画像】嫁に黙って子供のDNA鑑定した結果がこちらwww
  • レイプしてるときに女の子に言われたら萎えること

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【捕鯨】「なぜウシやブタは良いのにクジラはダメなのか?」を問うも、反対派の論点ずれまくり

   

1.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [CN]
投稿日:NG NG.net


一部抜粋

日本伝統の捕鯨文化は是か、それとも非か。京都大のキャンパスで6月3日に開かれた討論イベントで、捕鯨の容認派と反対派が同じテーブルに着いた。

 世界中を見れば、ウシやブタといった動物が食べられており、当然、魚も捕獲されている。イヌを食べる習慣のある国もある。
反捕鯨団体はクジラだけではなく、ウシなども食べない「ベジタリアン(菜食主義者)になるべきだ」と訴えている。

 八木監督は「クジラだけが制限されているのは大きな差で疑問だった。
このことを関係者に取材を進める中で、矛盾だらけと分かり、その憤りがこの映画になった」と切り出した。

だが、八木監督の素朴な疑問に対する反対派の意見は分かりにくい。
「ウシやブタなどすべての生き物を殺すのはよくない」。
反捕鯨活動家はこう訴えたが、なぜクジラだけを標的としているのかという言及はなかった。

太地町では反捕鯨団体の動きが活発化している。
さらには国際的批判を意識し、ザ・コーヴ以前は何ら隠すことのなかった解体を、人目に触れないように配慮するなどした経緯がある。
反捕鯨活動家がこうした変遷に触れず、隠しているとする現在の表面的な事象だけをとらえ、「悪」だと批判の矛先を向けたことに、八木監督はさらに応戦した。

 「どのような動物であれ、殺処分の場面を見て平気な人はいない。ザ・コーヴのシーンは人の感情をあおっていて卑怯(ひきょう)だ。
隠すことを批判するのであれば、他の動物の殺処分シーンも同様に見せるべきだ」と主張したが、活動家の見解とは平行線をたどった。

双方の姿勢の違いが鮮明となった討論は2時間に及び、最後に会場に集まった留学生らに捕鯨の是非の採決が取られた。
結果は賛成、反対ともに約4割で差がつかず、残りは「まだ決められない」とした。

「反捕鯨(の主張)は当初、絶滅危惧種だから駄目というものだった。
それが捕獲方法が残酷だに変わって、最後は(鯨類は)賢いから駄目だと、論点がどんどんずれてきている。
日本人の立場をきっちりと発言し続けることが重要だ」

「なぜクジラだけが特別なのか」捕鯨是非 ガチンコ論争で露呈した反対派の“論点ずれまくり”
http://www.sankei.com/west/news/170720/wst1707200083-n1.html

2.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:43:33.70 ID:vC0AcHbZ0.net

単なる人種差別だからね
日本政府は「人種差別はやめろ」の姿勢で行くべき

3.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [PK]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:43:45.91 ID:TR3Pw6cv0.net

人間様に食料として飼育されてる下等動物と大いなる自然とは違うんだとさ
キリスト教とんでもねーw

4.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(茸)@\(^o^)/ [ヌコ]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:44:15.31 ID:ZUGMYnlf0.net

>>2 で終わってた

5.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [RU]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:45:12.94 ID:LZaWmyAX0.net

神>>>イルカクジラ(神の使い、天使)>>>人間>>>家畜(神が人間に与えた食料)

6.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(新疆ウイグル自治区)@\(^o^)/ [PT]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:45:17.67 ID:LNV54B140.net

北欧の捕鯨国には大して抗議しねえんだよなw

7.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(茨城県)@\(^o^)/ [JP]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:45:55.50 ID:sTqWo2pz0.net

>>1
白豚の反対派の狼狽はくっそ笑ったw

差別主義白豚「ジャップは残酷!」
馬鹿白豚水族館「太地町のイルカを買った水族館はネットワークからけりだす!」
日本の水族館「酷い・・・」
馬鹿白豚水族館「俺たちは繁殖できてるからみうちで回すしw残虐ジャップは死ね!!!!!」
フランス「お前らのイルカ飼育、虐待だからもっと水槽大きくしろ」
馬鹿白豚水族館「ぇ」
フランス「世代交代も繁殖も禁止」
馬鹿白豚水族館「」

8.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(家)@\(^o^)/ [KR]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:47:11.92 ID:Fu/nfRCl0.net

戦争でも止めてくれば?
賢いニンゲンがじゃかじゃか死んでるけど

9.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:48:18.20 ID:AZNQFLBP0.net

食いたいもん食え!
人様の食文化に文句垂れんな!!

ただし安倍さんの地元に忖度して下関に税金を投入するのはやめろ!
それだけでいい

10.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(カナダ)@\(^o^)/ [JP]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:48:21.74 ID:5CfSNJOy0.net

そこにノンケ・シェパードがやってきて・・・

11.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(中部地方)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:48:45.26 ID:wuxfWpHu0.net

原理主義だろ
討論とか無駄

スポンサーリンク

12.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(関西地方)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:48:49.11 ID:PvZ9XD610.net

実際馬鹿正直に捕鯨認めろじゃなくて
日本の文化を貶すなという人種差別の方向に持ってく方が勝算高いだろ

13.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [GB]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:49:09.80 ID:v/ZmjTHQ0.net

そのうち根っこの野菜も植物の息の根を止めるのだから
残酷って言ってやれwもう葉っぱだけしか食うなと

14.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [CN]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:49:26.96 ID:RGNRgNc00.net

宗教だから話し合いで決着つかない

15.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:49:35.21 ID:R9wU8/wW0.net

牛や豚を育ててる牛舎や牧場みたいな巨大な水槽作って
そこでクジラを育てて豚や牛のように解体処理して売ったら
誰も文句言えないかな?
金かかりすぎて無理だけど

16.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [GB]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:49:44.99 ID:v/ZmjTHQ0.net

>>12
チョン、チャンコロ「犬猫食うのは文化ニダw」

17.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(関西・東海)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:50:01.15 ID:5bSS8hRsO.net

単に日本が嫌いなだけなんじゃ…

18.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [GB]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:50:15.78 ID:v/ZmjTHQ0.net

>>15
イルカを捕獲はダメだけど
繁殖は否定してないらしいw

19.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [RO]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:50:21.74 ID:KGIpoEYZ0.net

クジラ教っていう宗教に人種差別を元にした金稼ぎのミックスだからそこに理屈なんかないよ

20.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:50:35.08 ID:hf8vwokb0.net

なぜ鯨だけがダメなのか?
自分たちが食べない哺乳類で
金儲けできるからだよ
知ってたでしょ?

21.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:50:53.27 ID:iD4dv8Pe0.net

クジラが家畜化できたら誰も文句言わなくなるよ

22.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [JP]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:51:06.69 ID:07ykVPfM0.net

鯨だって飼育して食えば文句言われないのかな

23.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(広西チワン族自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:51:18.73 ID:Mbsx+bkmO.net

本当に絶滅寸前になったら人間は養殖始める

24.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [GB]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:51:28.41 ID:v/ZmjTHQ0.net

そもそもダメリカ人がローソク用に鯨油とってた(肉は食わないw)けど
ローソクも鯨油もいらなくなったからだろwこいつらが
まだ捕鯨してたら誰も反対してなかったよな?

25.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(空)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:51:53.57 ID:WJhs8KQB0.net

命の食べ方、ファストフードネイションとかそのくらいの映画は撮ってから文句言え。

26.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [CN]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:52:19.96 ID:RGNRgNc00.net

ベジタリアンは残酷ではないみたいな風潮
植物殺しとるがな

27.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(新疆ウイグル自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:52:42.09 ID:hKAFiSLo0.net

有名なライオンを殺したハンターを映画とかで吊し上げればいいのに。

28.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(家)@\(^o^)/ [RU]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:52:49.61 ID:rgEH/HYc0.net

なぜ犬はだめなのか
なぜ猫はだめなのか

29.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(香港)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:52:50.25 ID:YXzwmkvr0.net

俺「白人様の気分次第だから 完全論破」

30.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(福島県)@\(^o^)/ [ヌコ]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:52:53.07 ID:MzRbvOu20.net

>>5
白人>>イルカクジラ>>>有色人種≧家畜
白人はナチュラルにこの思想じゃないの

31.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:52:54.85 ID:OsoyiEGQ0.net

おれ達が食ってないからお前たちも食うなってことだろ

32.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:53:00.91 ID:lO3rJ3LF0.net

牛や豚じゃ金にならねーんだよ!

33.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:53:27.74 ID:D0eWZVR80.net

反捕鯨だとスポンサーがつくの
それで生活していける
反牛肉とか言っても寄付が集まらない
最近は犬や猫を殺しませんというと寄付が集まる あとアフリカの貧困を救えってやつも だからアフリカの貧困はなくならない 笑

34.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [GB]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:53:32.45 ID:v/ZmjTHQ0.net

>>26
大根とかジャガイモは食えないけど
葉っぱだけならそんな残酷でもないだろw
俺らでいうところの腕とか足引きちぎられるだけだw

35.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:53:46.80 ID:R9wU8/wW0.net

オーストラリアとかもさ
クジラ食べるような奴等には牛売らないって言えばかっこいいけど
クジラ食うな!でもうちらのオージービーフは買ってねってダサいと思わないのかな

36.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:53:47.18 ID:3GK9Ctoa0.net

所詮は代用肉だから牛豚より食感は劣るよ

37.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(茸)@\(^o^)/ [FI]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:53:49.59 ID:vpX59+Ap0.net

チョンとかチンが犬喰いしてる嫌悪感をあちらの方が味わってると思えば想像しやすい
基本間違ってるように見えても、他国の食文化に干渉しない方がいい
犬に苦しみを与えた方がうまくなるとかやめてほしいが…

38.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [PL]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:53:50.31 ID:lNICBe880.net

海のジビエでどうですか

39.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [GB]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:54:16.93 ID:v/ZmjTHQ0.net

白人「四肢の無い動物を食うな(魚は除く)」

40.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(広西チワン族自治区)@\(^o^)/ [RU]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:54:29.07 ID:7m81w8e1O.net

ウリはクジラ喰わないニダ だから許さないニダ byオーストコリア

41.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [TW]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:54:42.92 ID:bxNMWUCj0.net

>>34
果物とかナッツならokとか言ってた奴いたけど子供食ってるようなもんだしな

42.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(中部地方)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:54:49.03 ID:74hW1BNk0.net

オージービーフの輸入禁止したら黙るんじゃね?

43.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:54:53.46 ID:pXrxLcVg0.net

牛食ってるだろうに。

44.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:55:04.51 ID:mmNsjww70.net


45.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [GB]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:55:40.64 ID:0dc3Yxw10.net

植物だって生きてるし、痛覚もあんだろ
ベジタリアンは自己満足してるだけ

46.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:55:49.86 ID:8j0DlEIg0.net

>>6
下手すりゃ殺されるからな
日本人なら安心して虐められる

47.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:56:31.96 ID:D0eWZVR80.net

クジラとか食わないしな
だから殺さないで かわいそう 寄付します
シーシェパードさん 頑張って

48.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [GB]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:56:44.11 ID:v/ZmjTHQ0.net

>>42
かつてはだぶついてて日本に輸出させろ!って騒いでたオーストコリアどこは
今はチャンコロが高く一頭まるまる買ってくれるからむしろ部位ばかり要求してきて
高い品質でないとダメとかわがままいうjapには正直売りたくないらしいw

49.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US] sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:57:02.84 ID:UiLIYtUv0.net

>>19
mate使ってると変なとこで改行されてクジラックスに見えた

50.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(愛知県)@\(^o^)/ [GB]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:57:11.14 ID:WnTxjnzy0.net

>>21
実際牛や豚の類だしね

51.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(静岡県)@\(^o^)/ [DE]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:57:42.29 ID:fR6ObJlG0.net

環境テロリストでもありカルトでもある
連中に理屈は通用しない

52.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [PL]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:57:43.24 ID:nsAYB+JL0.net

ジャップに難癖つけたろの精神

53.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(福岡県)@\(^o^)/ [CN]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:58:35.94 ID:quRNFpN/0.net

カブトムシはOKでゴキブリはなぜだめなのか、みたいなもんだろ

54.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:58:38.88 ID:fGmxbpWg0.net

ネトウヨ「なぜ牛や豚はいいのに鯨はダメなのかニダ!おかしいニダ!」
朝鮮人「なぜ牛や豚はいいのに犬はダメなのかニダ!おかしいニダ!」

↑こんなに気が合うのに、なんで仲良くできないの?(´・ω・`)

55.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [DE]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:58:56.51 ID:I6RmNOmr0.net

聖書に出てきて人を助けたからと聞いた

56.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [GB]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:59:27.23 ID:v/ZmjTHQ0.net

>>45
木についてる時点では収穫しないで
落ち葉や実が落ちたら食えばいいじゃん(提案)

57.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(群馬県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:59:44.56 ID:XMlCFpKH0.net

あいつらそういう商売だから
日本叩きや動物愛護(似非)で金儲けしてるクズ

58.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:59:50.22 ID:mmNsjww70.net


http://www.artefactmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/J18.jpg
http://newspic.1122.com//upload1/picture132/11-17/7ldQwf.jpg

59.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [ヌコ]sage
投稿日:2017/07/23(日) 23:59:52.69 ID:71Q2YBBn0.net

むしろ身体のあらゆる部位、しまいには睾丸やペニス、子宮や膣まで食されてる牛や豚なんかには同情するわ
あれが人間だったらグロってレベルじゃない

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