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編集者 「漫画家・絵師になりたいという奴には「作品見せて」と言うと一発で黙ります」 ★Part2

   

1.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(栃木県)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:30:40.82 ID:fHTvZlIz0●.net BE:886559449-PLT(22000) BE:886559449-PLT(22000)


編集者が教える、急に漫画家や声優・絵師になりたいと言い出した人を一撃でぶち壊す方法 「こうすれば二度と言わなくなります」

例えば、あなたが先生で、生徒さんが「声優になりたい!」と言い出した時は、にっこり笑ってこう言いましょう。
「そうか!がんばれ!!じゃあ、次の文化祭では、お前が企画して、朗読劇か自主制作アニメやってくれな。
楽しみにしてるぞ!」と。

もしくは「五分アニメ作って先生に見せてくれ!絵は漫研のやつらに描いてもらえ。1ヶ月あればできるだろう。
楽しみにしてるぞ!」でもかまいません。

さて、次の文化祭、もしくは1ヶ月後がやってまいりました。賭けてもいいですが、十中十、生徒さんは約束を守れません。
そうしたらニコニコとあなた(先生)は言いましょう。「あれ?どうした?できなかったのか。楽しみにしていたのに」

おそらく、生徒さんはそこでグズグズと言い訳を言うでしょう。「うんうん」あなたは優しく言い訳を聞いてあげるのです。
その言い訳がどんなに立派だったとしても、生徒さんの心の中は「敗北感」でいっぱいになります。

おそらく、それで、二度と、生徒さんは「声優になりたい」とは言い出さないでしょう。

「マンガ家になりたい」と言い出した場合も同じです。「じゃあ、来月までにマンガ描いて見せてね(にっこり)」で
話は終わります。まず、お子さんはマンガなど描いて持ってはきません。
https://togetter.com/li/1130025

前スレ
編集者「漫画家・絵師になりたいという奴には「作品見せて」と言うと一発で黙ります」 ←twitter民発狂
http://hayabusa9.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/news/1500210846/

2.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(禿)@\(^o^)/ [KR]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:32:54.14 ID:ENDKhb/e0.net

現実教え込むのも先生の役目

3.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(禿)@\(^o^)/ [CN]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:34:23.38 ID:7P4ZW0Km0.net

声優になりたいでなんでアニメ作らなあかんのや
実質的になりたいのはアイドル崩れだろ

4.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(三重県)@\(^o^)/ [OM]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:36:44.13 ID:Of5KiM100.net

漫画家 絵師の話はどこかにあるの?

5.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(禿)@\(^o^)/ [PH]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:38:25.94 ID:3g/qdOCF0.net

まあ今バリバリの声優に言っても同じでしょ
昔流行った手法だよこれ

6.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:39:51.81 ID:QL4iQO8C0.net

よくこんなきもちわるいぶんしょうかけるな

7.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(茸)@\(^o^)/ [MX]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:42:36.20 ID:xH2VQLBv0.net

「なに、医師になりたい?それなら一ヶ月で先生のハゲを直してくれ」

8.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]age
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:44:08.39 ID:YVB5T4BF0.net

典型的な無能日本人

9.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(茸)@\(^o^)/ [TH]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:44:30.47 ID:GNWSlPKT0.net

気持ち悪い色彩感覚ゼロの絵を2ちゃんに載せまくって身バレしたバカも居るけどな

10.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [CN]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:45:51.16 ID:Bfv+rt7U0.net

いい年した大人ならともかく子供のうちは夢くらいみさせてやれよ

11.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [GB]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:46:42.33 ID:bryIxt2P0.net

なりたいという気持ちをいきなりプロレベルのことをやれと言って黙らせるっていじめとちゃうの?

スポンサーリンク

12.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(三重県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:47:50.60 ID:23JXLXG80.net

こういうツイッター番長嫌い

13.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(禿)@\(^o^)/ [DE]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:48:51.44 ID:iYC4MYq+0.net

だが同世代で業界入りした奴がいるのも事実

14.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(新疆ウイグル自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:48:59.21 ID:FxGUp9bz0.net

>>10
夢を追うなら具体的になんかやれって事だよ。

口先だけのヤツが多すぎるからね。

http://i.imgur.com/ZPee80y.jpg

15.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(関東・甲信越)@\(^o^)/ [CN]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:49:29.68 ID:nsO/A4F0O.net

下手でもつまらなくてもがんばって作ったものなら見たいな

16.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(北海道)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:49:50.49 ID:Nonobcua0.net

そもそもそんな知識のある先生がいない

17.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:50:09.65 ID:dR8wml170.net

言わんとすることはわかるけど表現力が低すぎて笑う
そう考えると同じようなこと岡田斗司夫が言ってたときの説得力はさすがだった

18.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [JP]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:50:43.85 ID:9Vvfmtv30.net

小中学生なら喜んで持ってきそうだがw

19.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(三重県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:52:22.62 ID:23JXLXG80.net

バーバラアスカって作家名乗っているけど有名なの?

20.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(家)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:53:54.22 ID:uomtAs+m0.net

漫画でもゲームでも本当になりたい奴は高校くらいには作品何かしら作ってるから持ってくるだろ

声優は知らん

21.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [DE]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:54:08.36 ID:LcLWMW0b0.net

生徒「先生、声優になりたいです!」
先生「よしわかった!5分アニメ作って持って来たら認めてやる!」
生徒「先生!アニメ作りました!絵は漫研使いその他音楽や3D制作チーム編成してスケジュールには一切遅滞ありません!
地元とのタイアップも良好な反応でYoutubeで1日で100万再生と滑り出しへ上々です!
広告、音楽、映像などの収益から出資者へのバックを含めた収支がこの紙になります」
先生「よしわかった!お前は声優諦めろ!」

22.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/ [KR]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:54:14.65 ID:hgnP/dhw0.net

ヒラコーが反応してネタにしてたのが皮肉

23.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:55:46.26 ID:24mDGCO/0.net

ゲーヲタ「面白いゲームが作りたいです」

会社「では言語はなんでも良いので得意なプログラミング言語を教えてください」

ゲーヲタ「あの、、、企画で、、、」

こういうのはいっぱいいるが
今は人材不足が深刻すぎて若手なら入れてからスキル教える会社も出て来てるが

24.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(フィリピン)@\(^o^)/ [EU]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:57:24.47 ID:FYdpm4Yx0.net

声優志望なら、朗読劇くらいやれって感じだな
録音はスマホがあるわけだし

25.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(愛媛県)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:58:57.63 ID:wo2kok220.net

まぁ親や教師なんて、小学生レベルの時は「夢を持て」って言うのに、
高校レベルになってくると「いつまでも夢見てんじゃねぇ」って叩きつぶしに来る連中だからな。
夢を追い続けたかったら、奴らに悟られないことだ。

26.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(家)@\(^o^)/ [CN]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 12:59:43.51 ID:3lEF696k0.net

そもそも黙らせる必要があんのか?
おう、頑張れよ
じゃいかんの

27.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(関西地方)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:00:08.50 ID:WgJdIVmQ0.net

アニメはともかく、漫画や小説だったら、
とんでもなく低レベルな作品を持ってきて(本人に自覚はない)、
「さあできたぞ! どうだ凄いだろう!」
と胸張って堂々と言われたらどうすんの?

それを貶したところで、
「ふんふん、貴重なご意見ありがとう。
あんたの個人的好みには合わなかったみたいだね。
まあコナンにもドラゴンボールにもアンチはいるから」
で終わる話だし。

28.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [KR]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:00:38.28 ID:a8697J3t0.net

まあ、本当にやりたいならまずやってみろってのはアリだと思う

29.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:00:42.92 ID:hj8bXFar0.net

先生に何で見せにゃあかんねん
何かコネでもあるんか?
そうでも無いのに文化祭の晒しもんにする気か?

30.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [MX]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:00:51.07 ID:yUNV5p+w0.net

編集自体は大事な仕事だぞ
プロの漫画家が「出版社に入るのは、漫画家になるのより難しい」って言ってた

31.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(石川県)@\(^o^)/ [KR]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:02:13.15 ID:ME/ppAlS0.net

pixivで有名なのはこいつ
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=3197795

32.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:02:17.91 ID:Dk5Zj7BO0.net

>>27
どんなに稚拙でも作品を作ってるなら見込みあるだろ

33.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [CN]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:02:50.61 ID:6sIA0DET0.net

俺の娘は声優になりたいといったら
祖父に惣菜作るのかって言われたわな

34.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(石川県)@\(^o^)/ [KR]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:02:55.85 ID:ME/ppAlS0.net

ちなみに今年30歳

35.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:03:14.22 ID:2CkMz4M10.net

まず先生がやってみせてからだよな

36.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(新疆ウイグル自治区)@\(^o^)/ [GB]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:03:30.88 ID:W6ad0Wve0.net

要は急に声優や漫画かになりたいって言ってだろw
ちゃんと読めよ

ちゃんと漫画家や声優を目指している奴はそれなりに子供の頃から準備をしているってこと
声優なら元子役やら役者を目指している
漫画家を目指している奴は、持ち込み一発でなれると思っていない
コミケ同人で結果を残してからとか美大を目指してまず堅実な方法を目指す

急に声優や漫画家になりたいって言う奴は、こういうことをしていないから
1のようなことを突いてやるとすぐに逃げる
要は急にってことは準備をしていないってこと。これが中学生ならこれから始めるから夢を壊すなって言うが
いろいろな可能性がある子供に、声優という博打をさせて人生を潰させていいのか?って話

37.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:03:45.56 ID:WzgSPnwN0.net

引きこもりになるよりマシだろ
プロになる奴はtwitterで愚痴る前に行動起こしてるわ

38.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:04:57.88 ID:f+BXaxm80.net

「将来昆虫学者になりたい」
「じゃあ来月論文書いてきて」
「できませんでした」
「もう二度とそんなことを言わなくなりまーす」

39.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:05:35.87 ID:9/UZ43it0.net

普通のことを言ってる。怒る方がバカ。
言われる前にやれという事。

40.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:05:47.35 ID:d2+h88cz0.net

ギタリストになりたいっつってギター買っちゃう痛々しい奴のほうが多いと思うんだけど
てかなんで他人の希望をコントロールしようとしてんだよ

41.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:05:51.50 ID:hj8bXFar0.net

作品作っても先生のところには持ってこんだろうな

42.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(岐阜県)@\(^o^)/ [JP]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:05:53.48 ID:XvfWMAnR0.net

声優は自分でアニメ自主制作すんのか初めて知ったわwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
ってかこいつ本当に編集の仕事してんのか?してるなら何処だよ?
こんなアホな事ぬかす編集者のいるところに誰も持ち込みになんて来ねぇから社名言ってみろ

43.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(内モンゴル自治区)@\(^o^)/ [TR]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:07:09.33 ID:Me0nkUAGO.net

>>30
漫画家になら誰でもなれるからな
例え落書きにしか見えなくてもそいつが漫画だと言い張るなら漫画だ

映画監督も自主映画作ってる学生監督でも定義上映画監督だ

44.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:07:13.58 ID:24mDGCO/0.net

鳥山明も持ち込みで断られまくっても諦めずに持ち込んでたからな
ドクタースランプに出てくるキャラの多さは没喰らった作品の数でもあるし

45.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(三重県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:07:32.16 ID:n7I0m6hE0.net

職人だと修行期間ってのがあるんだけど
声優や漫画はそういうもんじゃないって言いたいわけかな

46.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:07:41.30 ID:4www2vRV0.net

実際に持ってこられてその後のフォローもできるなら言っていい

47.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(広島県)@\(^o^)/ [DE]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:08:07.90 ID:N3JdPIHf0.net

やましいところのある人間ほど反応するだろ、これは
やる気のある人間は言われる瞬間が来る前に何かしら積み重ねている
夢だけの人間と夢を持って努力している人間の差だ

48.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(茸)@\(^o^)/ [AZ]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:08:55.08 ID:D/WsvW2Q0.net

この程度の煽りで発狂するヤツが今日日いるのか?

49.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:09:11.27 ID:sEh12t5u0.net

いいじゃん
学生らしく進学を勧めて専門学校に行かせるより、こっちの方がメリットだらけじゃん

50.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(内モンゴル自治区)@\(^o^)/ [EU]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:09:48.53 ID:Me0nkUAGO.net

>>44
進撃の諫山や高橋留美子も断られている
ジャンプが逃した人材だが
高橋を断った鳥嶋は鳥山明を発掘出来た
諫山を断った奴は左遷された…

51.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(岐阜県)@\(^o^)/ [JP]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:10:39.67 ID:XvfWMAnR0.net

>>47
「こう言ってみろ」の例えが超的外れ過ぎてるから叩かれてんだよ
普通に「現実見ろ、飽和状態の業界でお前食っていけるのか?成功できるか?」でいいじゃねーか

52.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(家)@\(^o^)/ [CN]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:10:57.38 ID:3lEF696k0.net

>>36

>編集者が教える、急に漫画家や声優・絵師になりたいと言い出した人を一撃でぶち壊す方法 「こうすれば二度と言わなくなります

ぶち壊さずに
おう、頑張れよ
でいいじゃん

教師、教育者の立場ってのは本質じゃなくね?

53.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(内モンゴル自治区)@\(^o^)/ [TR]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:11:26.12 ID:Me0nkUAGO.net

ボーボボ作者は美大で適当に絵を描いて単位だけくれって感じの学生だったらしいが
就職活動の時、デザイン会社に入りたくねえなと思って漫画家を目指したらしい

54.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [UA]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:13:41.42 ID://p+YCuZ0.net

20代半ばでそんな事言ってんならそりゃそう言って追い込むだろうけど、10代のやつなんか好きにやらしゃいいじゃん。
クリエイター職は昔より間口も広くまともになってるから一部の天才じゃなくてもどうにかやってけるよ。

55.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(三重県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:14:12.93 ID:23JXLXG80.net

>>44
スッパマンで一本作ろうとしてたんか

56.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(三重県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:15:19.84 ID:n7I0m6hE0.net

Twitterみてみたら偉そうなきっついおばはんだった

57.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(空)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:15:29.79 ID:J9ViV3u00.net

漫画家になりたくて七転八倒する漫画は見たことあるけど
編集者になりたくて頑張る漫画は見たことない
編集者が自分はこれでいいのかと悩む漫画はよく見る

58.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(岐阜県)@\(^o^)/ [JP]sage
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:16:52.22 ID:XvfWMAnR0.net

>>56
ババアかよ、どうりで頭悪いと思ったわ
例えも的外れだし

59.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [TW]
投稿日:2017/07/17(月) 13:17:02.37 ID:Tk/Xd1lr0.net

頭の悪い先生だぁとしか思えないなw

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