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  • 【悲報】韓国人、ゴーストオブ対馬に発狂
  • 【画像】宇崎ちゃん、明らかに高校時代のほうが可愛いwwwwww
  • グラビアアイドルのおっぱいを後ろから揉みしだいてる男の正体wwww
  • 【速報】中国、ガチで逝く
  • エロ怪しい風俗『中国エステ』エッチなマッサージ内容とその価格は
  • 【悲報】「MAJOR 2nd」の太鳳ちゃん、別の男に惚れてしまう! ハーレム崩壊へwwwww
  • 【悲報】東京高裁「科学的根拠は無くても有罪」
  • 【朗報】美人プロゲーマーさん、マツダRX-7(FD3S)を購入してしまうwwwwwwww 他
  • 【画像】生活保護受給者「私たちは本物のお寿司を食べられないんです…。こんなので我慢するしかない…
  • 【修羅場】私「目がゴロゴロするなぁ、コンタクト外すか(ベリベリッ)」→ 嫌な音がした瞬間... 他
  • 【因果応報】職場のお局に、5年間イジメられていた。私「結婚するので退職します」お局(他のやつイ…
  • 中学時代Aという女に恋して告白したがチビだのガキだの罵られフラれた 俺はその後大学を出て某大手不…
  • 【あれ?】出産のため5カ月実家で過ごしていたんだけど、久しぶりに自宅に戻ったらあきらかに家の様…
  • 【コスプレ】【画像】人気コスプレイヤーえなこさん、完全に精液を搾り取りにくる 他
  • 喧嘩強いやつの特徴www
  • 鬱病で休職したとたんに『なんやワイ元気やん』ってなる感は異常
  • 入社2年目ワイ、新卒がトイレで泣いてるのを発見する
  • なんJ民「国内線の空港には1時間以上前に着いた方が良い」ワイ「いや流石に心配しすぎやろw」
  • 【ご褒美♡】中洲の風俗嬢『え~!お兄さんの服全部ユニクロじゃん!ウケる(笑)』ワイ『…えっだめか…
  • 【画像】めっちゃ旨そうなオムライス作れた!!!!wwwwwwww
  • 【報告】初めてヤった結果wwwwwwwwww

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  • 【画像】女さん「世の中には左右が分からない左右盲と言うものがあります。漫画にしたので理解して下…
  • 大坂なおみ「彼氏が他人の敷地内でBLMデモをしたら不法侵入で逮捕された。警察は狂ってる」
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曽野綾子「日本で水や電気を使える時点で貧困層ではない。今の日本人は贅沢過ぎます」

   

1.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:42:56.94 ID:+GRLm1kF0.net BE:509143435-PLT(12000)

?PLT(12000)


「ここから日本の話を聞いていきたいと思います。まずこちらのデータですが、日本の相対的貧困率。相対的貧困率というのは、
仮に国民の所得を順番に並べた時に、所得の半分に満たない人の割合。
2012年の場合は、日本では年間の所得が122万円に満たない人の割合ということになります。
日本ではこの貧困率が右肩上がりです。2012年にはデータがある1985年以降、過去最悪の16.1%と。
およそ6人に1人が貧困層ということになりますけれども、これはOECD加盟国34か国中29位。つまり、5番目に悪い数字ということになりますね。
曽野さん、日本では近年、貧困層が増えているとか、格差が広がっていると言われていますが、日本は貧しい国になってきているのですか?」

曽野氏
「違いますね。貧困と言う言葉がぐちゃぐちゃになって使われていると思いますね。
つまり、こちらの貧困というのは、水が出ない、水道の恩恵を受けていない。電気は毎日停電ですからね。
それもありますけれども、電気も引かれていない。盗電しているんですよ。東京電力ではないですよ。電気を盗むんです。
盗電する。それでも、盗電した分を払う、家主から払わなければいけませんから。そういうのも一切ない。

今晩食べるものがない。それから、濡れて寝ています、アフリカでは。しばしば。屋根が、雨がザーッと漏れる。
私が知っているシスターのところに保育器、赤ちゃんを入れる、あれを送った時に、立派なカーテンボックスに入ってきます。

それをほしがった未亡人がいたんですよ。シスターが何のために何に使うのと言ったら、何のためだと思いますか。子供のうえに、雨の日、ザーッと雨がかかるんですって。
だから、あれを切り開いて、子供の上にかけて、カーテンですよ。雨に直接当たらないようにしてやりたいと言ったと。

それほどの貧しさだから、犬と違って人間は、屋根の下に寝ていると思っていますけれども、特殊な人以外は。そんなことはないです。
今晩食べるものもない。学校も行けない。いろんなことで。だから、そういうものを貧困と。
それは、つまり、高いレベルの人の中間かどうかというので、比較貧困ですね」
http://www.bsfuji.tv/primenews/text/txt150108.html

2.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:43:53.01 ID:0Z63V3mG0.net

すみません

3.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [IT]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:44:34.64 ID:54UwwYRL0.net

戦争中とか戦後に育った世代と比較すんなって話だな

4.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(茸)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:44:52.58 ID:9NkvN+dG0.net

相対的貧困率の話をしてるのに何で世界と比較してんのこの人

5.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(家)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:45:00.40 ID:9bw74cYZ0.net

日本でいう貧困層はホームレスだけってことだな

6.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(埼玉県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:45:30.54 ID:ymvLfvid0.net

アフリカと比べるのかw
バカすぎんだろ

7.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:45:42.48 ID:xzvqRNwz0.net

ザーッと雨漏りする屋根のトタン板って舶来品ですぜ曾野先生

8.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(群馬県)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:46:36.81 ID:mKjtX31i0.net

曽根アンナの濡れた休日

9.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:46:56.85 ID:ZQgaxoKj0.net

単に問題の本質を分かってないで、
思い込みで貧困の話をしちゃったパターン(´・ω・`)

10.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:47:07.11 ID:sI620mdK0.net

貧困なのはこの人のアタマだったか

11.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(愛知県)@\(^o^)/ [DE]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:47:22.84 ID:NOZ22mcD0.net

うららがギリギリ水と電気止められてないレベルだったら叩いてないよな

スポンサーリンク

12.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(関西・東海)@\(^o^)/ [CA]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:47:34.86 ID:4mDhdXZoO.net

極端バカは今すぐ死ねよ

13.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:47:59.11 ID:cXwv5ai40.net

話し言葉を書き起こすと、何言ってんのかわかんないねこの人

14.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [CO]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:48:44.29 ID:/GfQc+vK0.net

>>4
相対的貧困て概念がそもそも
おまえらは恵まれてんだから甘えんな
ってのに反論するために生まれたものだから

15.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(茸)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:50:43.16 ID:cnJ+9R1V0.net

ブスと美人とデブとガリを比較する様な馬鹿だな

16.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(岐阜県)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:52:12.38 ID:eiS/rU3/0.net

これはその通りだろ
基本的に今の日本の貧困ってのは「贅沢ができない!貧困だ」って言ってるわけだし

17.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:52:56.86 ID:xzvqRNwz0.net

>1 このタイミングでこんなスレ立てして来るってのは
資格も取れて無いフリーターの身分でも婚約できる上級国民について語りたいからなの?

18.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [KR]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:53:19.18 ID:/nOh6O+20.net

餓死してる人もいるのだが

19.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(禿)@\(^o^)/ [JP]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:53:21.05 ID:3USoifFW0.net

田園調布に住んでて
聖心女子学院で勉強して
東京大空襲の時は金沢に疎開してましたが
今の日本人は贅沢過ぎます

20.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [FR]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:55:22.93 ID:lw9ZjfmS0.net

他国と比べても意味ねぇ

21.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [ID]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:55:54.72 ID:i6eftoQE0.net

「贅沢は敵」 と教育されて育った世代

22.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(千葉県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:57:34.84 ID:VuZcZzJD0.net

日本は相対的貧困率ってイカサマ指標で貧困貧困騒いでるだけだからな
各国の収入分布を比べてみるといいよ

23.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:57:54.13 ID:W+ZTcJV90.net

なら日本の金持ちは超贅沢ってことで
資産を分配しよう

24.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [CN]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 13:59:02.21 ID:pETq7N1y0.net

このおばさんが資産0円なら納得

25.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [GB]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:00:40.70 ID:epyZ6CW30.net

ニートみたいな生活で貧しいとか言ってるのが多いからな
もうちょっと良い仕事か、仕事ふやせよ・・・

ギリギリの生活やってるから精神が病むんだよ

26.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:01:55.25 ID:3XO4n9qo0.net

アフリカよりマシならOKとするんであれば、政治家や公務員の待遇もアフリカ並みにしないといけないな

27.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:03:15.81 ID:4U1a4FRT0.net

共産制にすりゃ相対的貧困は無くなるよ
全体が貧困なだけだからw

28.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(栃木県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:03:40.00 ID:sqKgckiO0.net

せめてGDP同じぐらいの国と比べろよ

29.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [JP]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:05:42.58 ID:wq0eqUhk0.net

うーん、ボケ老人

30.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(愛知県)@\(^o^)/ [IE]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:07:06.71 ID:5M5fpbey0.net

私世界知ってますアピールだろ

31.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:07:27.09 ID:4U1a4FRT0.net

>>26
政治家や公務員の年収が増えるぞw
アフリカとか発展途上国のほとんどは政治家とかが一手に富を集めてる
だから反政府組織とかが出来る
で、反政府組織が政府になると同じ事をする
それを半永久的に繰り返してる
例えば、奴隷貿易があった頃でも黒人奴隷を売ってたのは黒人
白人が黒人を捕まえてた訳じゃ無い

32.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [IT]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:07:47.94 ID:54UwwYRL0.net

つーか今の日本の貧困層が増えてるのは経営者の役員はアメリカ式の超高給、他は従来以下のリーマンの給与という搾取構造によって金の分配がおかしいせい

33.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(家)@\(^o^)/ [KR]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:09:44.61 ID:wEydb8VP0.net

アフリカは納税ないからなー

34.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/ [CN]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:11:40.21 ID:F0drLCTc0.net

曽野「相対的貧困は絶対的貧困ではないから対策不要。」

理屈があるようで理屈になってない。

35.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(千葉県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:12:51.67 ID:VuZcZzJD0.net

例えば人口1000人の町で、年収がそれぞれ
・501人が一億、499人が5000万でも
・501人が2000万、499人が100万でも
相対的貧困率は49.9%≒5割

また全体の1割の人間が富を独占し、残り9割がその1/10の収入で暮らしていたとしても
相対的貧困率は0

中流が厚いほど相対貧困率が高く出る狂った指標だから、
相対的貧困率を下げたいなら中流階級を没落させればいい

36.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:13:49.72 ID:aQWREquf0.net

日本における貧困について言えよ
なぜアフリカが話題に上がる?

37.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [NL]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:13:50.77 ID:5qa+acR90.net

日本人は日本人が嫌いだよな

38.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(宮城県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:14:56.44 ID:p2PwZ5L50.net

メキシコはソマリアよりマシだから対策不要レベルの暴論

39.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(茸)@\(^o^)/ [ヌコ]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:16:19.84 ID:UbawxQYb0.net

>>35
何でそんな例え出しちゃうの?

40.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:16:48.18 ID:UjQ9iaBq0.net

曽野綾子とパソナのカスは死んだ方が日本の為

41.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(内モンゴル自治区)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:18:34.52 ID:PhU7H7GBO.net

お風呂と、トイレ(紙)、生理用品が維持できてるなら貧困じゃない事にしよう

塩おむすびは貧困じゃないから

42.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(千葉県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:18:56.47 ID:VuZcZzJD0.net

>>39
相対的貧困率の愚かさを説明するためだよ
数値を出されたら思考停止しちゃう人が多いからな

43.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:19:45.56 ID:O8xF8q/r0.net

最早ネトウヨでも擁護出来ないレベルに堕ちたか!
本当に耄碌している

44.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(茸)@\(^o^)/ [ヌコ]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:19:49.50 ID:UbawxQYb0.net

>>42
そんな極端な例を出したらお前が馬鹿としか思われないよ?

45.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [DE]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:19:51.89 ID:hXcPVuLW0.net

もっとブラックな会社あるだろ理論とかわらん
アホか

46.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [GB]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:20:05.41 ID:epyZ6CW30.net

まぁ日本は頑張れば金持ちになれるからな
何もしないで、ネットで文句言ってる人には何一つ良いこと無い

47.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(広西チワン族自治区)@\(^o^)/ [GB]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:20:26.24 ID:bQbqLkivO.net

>>1
その通り

48.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(宮崎県)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:20:34.36 ID:65h2bUu10.net

まだ生きてたのか
この婆

49.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(千葉県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:23:00.97 ID:VuZcZzJD0.net

>>44
これと同じことが、実際の相対的貧困率の計算でも起こってるんだがな…

50.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(山形県)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:25:22.15 ID:n4h0q80T0.net

日本の貧乏話でも電気と水が使えないとか今夜食べるものが無いとかってよくあるじゃんやっぱ貧困だよ

51.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [JP]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:25:45.68 ID:+yrxAyq70.net

計算式は変えないのだろうか

52.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(WiMAX)@\(^o^)/ [ZA]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:26:32.40 ID:MiK479Kx0.net

この人の話って何の意味もないよな

53.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:26:36.96 ID:W0/tLkGW0.net

 勝間
 なるほど。ちょっとここで意地悪な質問をさせてください。
 カンボジアの孤児院や学校に寄付をされています。どうして、そのお金でワタミの従業員の給料を上げないんですか。

 渡邉
 こんなに儲かっても、私が自分の給料を上げないのはなぜか、というのと同じ質問だと思います。私もみんなもそこそこでいいと思っているんです。
 寄付をするほうが遠くまで利益なりお金が広がっていく。そのほうが、より大きな幸せがあると思うんです。

 勝間
 私も今スーダンとか海外に寄付をしています。なぜネットカフェ難民に寄付しないのかとよく聞かれます。

 渡邉
 私は海外支援は世界2番目の経済大国の国民としての責任だと思っています。物事には度合いがあります。
 カンボジアの孤児院に入った子は、体重が5歳で11キロですよ。かたやネット難民は、私に言わせたら、生きているじゃないですか。

54.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:27:27.24 ID:t8tQ1qVA0.net

すげえな
記録とられてるところでよくこんだけ嘘八百並べられるな
キチガイすごすぎ

55.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:27:35.03 ID:Ghg5IBEd0.net

ぐちゃぐちゃかな?
相対貧困と絶対貧困はきっちり分けられてると思うけど。

56.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [SG]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:27:46.17 ID:mJn3zhsP0.net

アフリカの貧困国と比較するということは
日本をアフリカの貧困国レベルまで衰退させても問題ないということ

57.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(栃木県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:27:52.57 ID:j0jjcI2z0.net

老害特有の昔はこうだったか

58.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:29:33.36 ID:ZQgaxoKj0.net

>>53
>こんなに儲かっても、私が自分の給料を上げないのはなぜか、というのと同じ質問だと思います

こういう論点をちょこっとずらしての切り返し
見習いたいわ(´・ω・`)

59.名前:名無しさん@涙目です。(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [CN]
投稿日:2017/05/17(水) 14:39:26.92 ID:tNLgMDP90.net

じゃあ貧困JKなんていなかったんだね
やっぱりあれは妖怪釣瓶落としだったんだ

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