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弁護士「つるの剛士の『賛成意見も聞きたい』が正論であろうはずがない。反対派への牽制だ」

   

1.名前: スターダストプレス(宮城県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:21:36.05 ID:0XFFQjQ+0●.net BE:601381941-PLT(13121) ポイント特典

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つるの剛士氏の安保関連法案「賛成意見も聞きたいなぁ」が正論であろうはずもない

このJ-CASTニュースの記事をみて驚きました。

「つるの剛士、安保関連法案「賛成意見も聞きたいなぁ」 正論なのに反対派から大バッシング
受ける」(J-CAST 7月17日(金)19時32分)

このつぶやきに対して、戦争法案に反対する人たちから一斉に批判コメントが寄せられたことに
対し、この記事は批判しているのです。

こんな具合です。

「反対派以外の人からは「最も公平な意見いってるのに」「普通の意見だと思う」と気の毒がる意見が目立つ。」

一般論として、どちらの方の意見が正論なのか、両方の意見を聞いてみてから判断する、
と言われることがありますが、これ自体、否定するつもりもありませんが、実はあまり意味のある
フレーズではありません。

本来は、どちらの意見も聞くというのは、それによって自ら判断する、という過程において意味が
あるのであって、このつるの氏のような人ごとのようなつぶやきでは、正論どころか茶化している
だけの意味にしかなり得ません。

むしろ、現実問題として、「賛成派の意見」なんて、ネットにゴロゴロ散乱しているでしょう。自分から
アクセスすればいくらでも「賛成派の意見」なんて読めます。

それを実行せず、人ごとのように発言するのは、どう考えても別の隠れた目的があるからにほかなりません。

>>2に続く20150719010008apdos

2.名前: スターダストプレス(宮城県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:22:50.65 ID:0XFFQjQ+0.net BE:601381941-PLT(12121)

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それは敢えてこの時期にこのような投稿をするのですから、反対派への牽制以外なにものでも
ないわけです。批判を寄せた人たちは、当然、そのように考えたわけです。

ご本人は「沢山の貴重なコメントありがとうございます☆自分の頭で考えられるように馬鹿なりに
沢山勉強をします!」ツイートしたそうですが、ご本人が自分を指摘している通りであれば、
どうでもいいレベルのものでしかなく、そうであれば「正論」などと評価すること自体が誤りであるし、
外に向けて発信する以上は、批判の対象にもなることは当然に認識すべきことです。

つるの氏は、「公平に物事を考えたいだけ」と釈明したそうですが、「公平」という飾り文句をつけた
だけの偏った意味にしかなっていないことを自覚すべきことです。

つるの氏が意図的に行っているんだったら、自覚はしているのでしょうけれど、今さら取り繕っても
遅いというものです。

http://blogos.com/article/123427/

3.名前: チキンウィングフェースロック(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:23:07.38 ID:9YFE/zsW0.net

賛成派の意見を聞かせないとかどんな言論弾圧だよ

4.名前: キングコングニードロップ(埼玉県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:23:20.77 ID:aWMq/luo0.net

>>1
この弁護士は、反対意見に自信がないの?
賛成意見を聞いたらひっくり返ると思っているの?
そんなに根拠が弱いのか。

5.名前: フロントネックロック(愛知県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:23:46.93 ID:AGC4gNf10.net

これがサヨク脳です

6.名前: チキンウィングフェースロック(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:23:56.77 ID:9YFE/zsW0.net

はっきり言ってサヨクって全体主義者だよね

7.名前: マシンガンチョップ(庭)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:24:24.95 ID:UgLgztN60.net

>>1
弁護士が言ったらおしまいじゃね?

8.名前: アイアンクロー(宮城県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:24:52.82 ID:KJFvShYP0.net

>それは敢えてこの時期にこのような投稿をするのですから、

反対派にも言えやw

9.名前: フロントネックロック(茸)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:25:21.11 ID:a9uX9kRe0.net

>>1
気持ち悪いよ、アカ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PHTxK00cYQ

10.名前: ヒップアタック(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:25:43.93 ID:aaI9xRgs0.net

ブサヨってこれだから恐ろしいんだよな

11.名前: マシンガンチョップ(dion軍)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:25:59.44 ID:/+3o+gxz0.net

こわいこわいサヨクはこうやって言論弾圧していくのか

スポンサーリンク

12.名前: ムーンサルトプレス(北海道)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:26:15.49 ID:LZDn+p6b0.net

反対派って中国とか北朝鮮みたいだな

13.名前: マスク剥ぎ(埼玉県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:26:45.43 ID:NqCWx8RH0.net

つるのは新聞を、とりあえず読売と朝日を読めば済む話。
バカがバカを演じることほど白々しいものはないな。

14.名前: ジャンピングDDT(catv?)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:26:51.59 ID:LCBMFEfh0.net

「中身とかよく知らなけど何となくヤバそうだから反対」とか言ってる連中にも“ちゃんと調べてから言え馬鹿“くらい言いましょうね

15.名前: ネックハンギングツリー(家)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:27:25.07 ID:gyXXB5DH0.net

論より謝罪と賠償主義ですか?

16.名前: ヒップアタック(dion軍)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:28:04.79 ID:v79C13DS0.net

すごいな賛成派だけが圧倒的な悪認定
怖い怖いサヨクに逆らうと殺されちゃうし

17.名前: チキンウィングフェースロック(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:28:34.93 ID:9YFE/zsW0.net

>>13
この白々しいバカ共にもなんか言ってやんな

【安保法】反対派「内容理解しなくても反対する。何となく政府が信頼できずヤバそうだから」 (c)2ch.net
http://hayabusa3.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/news/1437236407/

18.名前: トペ スイシーダ(新疆ウイグル自治区)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:28:39.86 ID:AWRn2Kth0.net

反対がこんなに正しいって説明したらいいじゃねーか
つるのは聞く気満々なんだから

19.名前: フェイスクラッシャー(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:29:13.47 ID:pKdkfOXE0.net

キチガイ左なのか逆張りバカなのかどっちにしろ気持ち悪いわ
こういう炎上狙いの売名弁護士って心底哀れ

20.名前: ハイキック(WiMAX)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:29:45.83 ID:Mp756kBE0.net

それ全部、あなたの想像ですよね

21.名前: 16文キック(家)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:29:57.94 ID:uugSidXS0.net

チョンモメンとは日本共産党カクサン部の2ch工作部隊です
http://www.jcp.or.jp/kakusan/s/
党員32万人に対して工作要請、お年寄りまで動員しています
TwitterやFacebookで使い物にならなかったゴミを2chに送り込んでいます
http://i.imgur.com/LmOzTm4.jpg

22.名前: トラースキック(岐阜県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:30:06.70 ID:kGkZuCe90.net

つるのは自分がじゃなくて子供など多数の無関心な人たちのために賛成反対両方やったほうがってことだったと思うけど

23.名前: サソリ固め(大分県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:30:32.43 ID:FG3jYaE80.net

(´・ω・`)・ω・`) キャーコワ-イ
/  つ⊂  \

24.名前: エクスプロイダー(中部地方)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:30:53.76 ID:NLvauoa10.net

左翼の言論弾圧の酷さ
それこそ数の暴力でつるのにアタックしてたろ
左翼が権力得た先なんて歴史が証明してる

25.名前: ハイキック(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:31:26.56 ID:7YqsmhoG0.net

途中まで読んで何言ってるのか分からなくなった
全く論理的じゃ無いんだが本当に弁護士の意見か?

26.名前: キャプチュード(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:31:30.86 ID:nNpxsItx0.net

つぶやき程度に何必死になってるんだか
どうでもいい話題の種としてつぶやいてるだけだろ
政治的手段として活用してるやつなんて活動家だけだわ

27.名前: ビッグブーツ(大阪府)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:32:15.81 ID:GGFhm3EY0.net

弁護士が「お前の発言に意味ねーから」って公言していいの

もう弁護士やめたら
向いてないよ

28.名前: フルネルソンスープレックス(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:32:37.09 ID:NExNthiK0.net

相手の立場を邪推して、意見そのものを捻じ曲げて解釈していいのか?

29.名前: クロイツラス(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:33:09.18 ID:JLXgh5270.net

聞きたくない!!!
つるののカバー

30.名前: オリンピック予選スラム(禿)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:33:19.78 ID:gmFGRpa+0.net

つまりブサヨはキチガイって事か

31.名前: ファイヤーバードスプラッシュ(福岡県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:33:39.35 ID:mmHLgY3V0.net

屁理屈こねるお仕事ですもんね

32.名前: ウエスタンラリアット(福岡県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:33:40.56 ID:Yc3QKk3n0.net

お前それ検事の意見だけで判決下せった言ってるのと同等だぞ
そしたらお前いらないじゃん

33.名前: 河津落とし(茸)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:34:37.92 ID:9Cd/KpI40.net

いつだって最初に暴力を振るうのは左翼。

34.名前: キドクラッチ(九州地方)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:34:43.96 ID:KQZ4So1QO.net

ネットにゴロゴロあるからOKっていうならテレビも新聞もいらないやん

35.名前: アイアンフィンガーフロムヘル(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:35:00.97 ID:FyOrZ9Me0.net

「公平」って言葉がよほど嫌なんやなwwwwwwwww

36.名前: エメラルドフロウジョン(禿)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:35:15.32 ID:PTqCsyjr0.net

この弁護士名前出してるんか?

37.名前: フロントネックロック(茸)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:35:18.12 ID:aJcNyoOK0.net

何がなんでも自分達の意見に沿わない意見を封殺したいんだな

38.名前: 垂直落下式DDT(庭)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:35:30.96 ID:zC8Jo8+/0.net

全部読んだが、支離滅裂で何を言っているのかわからない……
弁護士としてこれはまずいんじゃないのか?

39.名前: ラ ケブラーダ(WiMAX)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/07/19(日) 23:35:40.28 ID:Rr7AH41p0.net

>>1
勉強しろ
放送法には意見の分かれるものは
どちらにも中立に放送することと明記されている

それが国民の財産である電波を半世紀以上独占的に
借受けている連中には課せられている。

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