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【仕事が好きで長時間労働する者もいるのでは?】労基署勧告にavex社長が疑問「働き方を無視する様」

   

1.名前: バーニングハンマー(北海道)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 09:52:03.02 ID:BGidGug80●.net BE:299336179-PLT(13500) ポイント特典

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エイベックスの松浦勝人社長が22日、自身のブログを更新し、社員に違法な長時間労働をさせていたとして、三田労働基準監督署(東京都港区)から今月9日付で是正勧告を受けたことについて、
「今の働き方を無視する様な取り締まりを行っていると言わざるを得ない」と批判し、
「法律が現状と全く合っていないのではないか」と疑問を投げかけた。

 勧告を受けたこと自体は「現時点の決まりだからもちろん真摯(しんし)に受け止め対応はしている」とコメント。その上で、「好きで仕事をやっている人に対しての労働時間だけ
の抑制は絶対に望まない」とし「僕らの業界はそういう人の“夢中”から世の中を感動させるものが生まれる」と理解を求めた。http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20161223-00000004-spnannex-ent

2.名前: バーニングハンマー(北海道)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 09:53:52.91 ID:BGidGug80.net

でも会社員の大半は仕事が嫌いで残業してくないだろ

3.名前: シャイニングウィザード(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [CA]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 09:54:37.62 ID:YhfEGoVL0.net

その場合の報酬はたしかに重要な問題だろうな。
2000万円以上の報酬ならば、別にサービス残業でもなんでもいいだろ。
特に取締役以上は会社のためにどんどんサービス残業をやればいい。

4.名前: リキラリアット(茸)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 09:55:05.27 ID:0+fANzYQ0.net

クリエイトされたものに対して、金払えば問題ない。
個人事業主にしちゃえばいいのに。

5.名前: 男色ドライバー(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 09:55:50.62 ID:46O+FbJ70.net

そういう奴は勤務時間の伸縮を自分で決められる裁量がある奴だろ

6.名前: フルネルソンスープレックス(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [TW]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 09:55:59.18 ID:QT60Dqqu0.net

金払えよって話だろすりかえるな

7.名前: エルボーバット(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 09:59:57.25 ID:YPI3jBd40.net

>>6
残業手当いらないから働きたいって奴もいるでしょ

8.名前: エクスプロイダー(内モンゴル自治区)@\(^o^)/ [MD]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:00:35.53 ID:PSynaYw7O.net

「好きな仕事をし過ぎない為の法律」だろ

9.名前: キングコングラリアット(庭)@\(^o^)/ [EU]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:01:01.16 ID:vvrzeISo0.net

作曲中にいい感じの曲が浮かんできて「よっしゃー」となったところで定時になったらそこで帰るのがプロ

10.名前: 垂直落下式DDT(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/ [CN]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:01:42.87 ID:Qb2vfG0P0.net

サイコパスの発想

11.名前: かかと落とし(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [EU]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:01:51.59 ID:NFgUkIiE0.net

仕事が好きでいくらでも働きたいなら、個人事業主として喜んで契約してくれるんじゃないの?
やってみたらw

スポンサーリンク

12.名前: ミッドナイトエクスプレス(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [CN]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:02:16.60 ID:C85mvHZR0.net

>>7
いねえよw

13.名前: ムーンサルトプレス(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [ZA]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:02:47.69 ID:C7JRpixe0.net

定額サビ残奴隷量産して
「社員が好きでやってるだけです。強制はしてません」
って言い訳を許すことになるからダメ

14.名前: ジャンピングパワーボム(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/ [GB]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:03:41.39 ID:N20XOr5b0.net

仕事自体が好きな奴なんて居るのか?
やってる中身が好きなんだとしたら、余暇で勝手にやらせりゃいいだろ

15.名前: ダイビングエルボードロップ(庭)@\(^o^)/ [AU]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:03:41.95 ID:577u+j730.net

働きたくない人は定時で帰っていいのなら、そもそもこんな法律は必要ないんだがなあ。

16.名前: バックドロップホールド(禿)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:04:24.70 ID:Px92SHbN0.net

報酬の問題じゃねーよ
個人ならやりたいやつがやればいい論は通じる
しかし組織でやるとうまく回らない
ボチボチやるやつの居場所どうすんだよ
結局異常に働くやつに合わしていくことになる
働き者はえらいからな
好きだから仕事だけしたいなんてやつばっかりじゃないから
だいたい仕事漬けなら音楽も落ち着いて聴けねえ

17.名前: キングコングラリアット(庭)@\(^o^)/ [EU]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:09:03.18 ID:vvrzeISo0.net

>>14
好きなことで稼げるなら一石二鳥じゃん
余暇でやんなくてもいい

18.名前: ローリングソバット(三重県)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:09:25.43 ID:2uIlsbLh0.net

>>7
http://i.imgur.com/bU5iaec.jpg

19.名前: ムーンサルトプレス(愛知県)@\(^o^)/ [MX]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:10:06.63 ID:6mmswOnR0.net

労基は弱者のためにあるもんだから
働きたいやつがいるなら自由にすべき

20.名前: キャプチュード(兵庫県)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:10:56.75 ID:4xI8rk+A0.net

エイベックソは無くなってもなにも問題ないので
日本の法律に従えないなら海外にでも行ってくれ

21.名前: トラースキック(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:11:11.64 ID:f91PGxAK0.net

全社的な問題を個人の問題にすり替えようとするあたり、経営者としての能力が皆無

22.名前: トペ スイシーダ(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [VN]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:11:25.68 ID:aP/uDQ7x0.net

実直な労働にはふさわしいゴールドを

23.名前: 中年’sリフト(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [ヌコ]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:13:34.83 ID:PSjxR8qk0.net

俺経営者だけど、残業代全額払ってもいいけどその分採算悪化するから当然ボーナスが減ることになる。ボーナスも出せなくなったら会社清算だな。
どっちがいいのさ。

24.名前: ジャンピングパワーボム(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:13:44.36 ID:iI/Aj2gA0.net

日本に限っては好きでやるのも規制しなきゃダメ
過労死が日本でしかおこらないので分かるでしょ

25.名前: 目潰し(岡山県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:14:26.41 ID:kq/AjT3o0.net

経営者に「仕事は嫌いかね」と尋ねられて
バカ正直に「はい」と答える従業員はいない。

26.名前: アンクルホールド(関東・甲信越)@\(^o^)/ [IT]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:14:32.00 ID:tRjn2DvKO.net

ブラック企業のサイコパスは最終的に辿り着くのはここなんだな
まるっきりワタミだし

27.名前: キングコングラリアット(庭)@\(^o^)/ [EU]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:14:45.78 ID:vvrzeISo0.net

>>23
儲けてどっちも出せ

28.名前: タイガースープレックス(庭)@\(^o^)/ [CN]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:15:32.68 ID:7qlBH8I00.net

夢中になれる仕事がある人が羨ましい

29.名前: フェイスロック(栃木県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:15:59.66 ID:3v4Su3xL0.net

そんな社員いるなら独立させてフリーで契約結べばいいだろ

30.名前: サッカーボールキック(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:16:17.03 ID:2aoMmZeh0.net

>>23
おまえがもっと働けば?

31.名前: マシンガンチョップ(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [DE]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:16:45.42 ID:rEC4rRa70.net

労働基準監督署は会社を潰したいのか!

32.名前: テキサスクローバーホールド(群馬県)@\(^o^)/ [NO]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:17:43.68 ID:iu/Ng9dG0.net

>>25
え? 俺は「はい、嫌いです」って言ったけど

33.名前: トラースキック(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:17:46.85 ID:f91PGxAK0.net

>>31
ブラックは潰れるべき

34.名前: 中年’sリフト(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [ヌコ]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:18:04.61 ID:PSjxR8qk0.net

>>30
経営者なんて労基法対象外だから夜間土日関係なく24時間365日仕事だよ。出社してるとは限らないが出社してなくても仕事はしてる。

35.名前: 目潰し(岡山県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:18:49.58 ID:kq/AjT3o0.net

>>31
表向きは警察がヤクザを潰そうとするのと一緒だろ。

36.名前: 32文ロケット砲(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:20:36.11 ID:466PATVI0.net

日本人バカだもん
なんで海外があまり働かなくていいかを勘違いして
上司が無能とか言ってるうちは
絶対進歩せん

37.名前: フロントネックロック(香港)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:20:37.74 ID:KQpxJ4sb0.net

大体は仕事が好きでではなく、時給が低いとか人材不足で一人当たりの仕事量が多いとかの理由。金持ちは都合の悪い事をすぐ誤魔化す。

38.名前: 不知火(茸)@\(^o^)/ [GB]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:20:51.48 ID:Cdx5rMzC0.net

でも死ぬほど働きたいやつが従業員である必要はないよね
死ぬほど働きたいなら従業員にならないこれも多様性だよね
個人に高い負担と負荷がかかることが会社というシステムにしてもリスクでしかないことをそろそろ学ぼう

39.名前: ネックハンギングツリー(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:20:55.39 ID:sWTtbvyI0.net

その理論だとお金が好きで働いてる人にはもっと給与を支払ってもいいのでは?

40.名前: ジャストフェイスロック(東日本)@\(^o^)/ [DE]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:21:05.81 ID:LCnVSbrZ0.net

労働者と行政が舐められてんな
見せしめに吊るし上げろよ

41.名前: 男色ドライバー(北海道)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:21:10.17 ID:Erp3MUx20.net

そういう抜け駆けがあると結局のとこ全員がチキンレースみたいに限界を責めなきゃいけなくなるから規制すんだよカス
24時間営業もさっさと規制すべき

42.名前: ジャンピングパワーボム(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/ [GB]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:21:13.07 ID:N20XOr5b0.net

まともに金払えない&人雇えないブラックは潰れろってだけなんだよな

43.名前: マシンガンチョップ(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [DE]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:22:50.11 ID:rEC4rRa70.net

利益を上げれない社員をどんどん切るしかないのか、どんどんニートを増やすことになる

44.名前: 目潰し(岡山県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:22:56.68 ID:kq/AjT3o0.net

>>32
通用する場面と通用しない場面がある。
「態度」というものを過大に評価する日本の場合は特に。

45.名前: ダイビングヘッドバット(茸)@\(^o^)/ [CN]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:23:29.91 ID:g4NNoOYw0.net

そもそも労働法云々いうなら自分で起業すればいいのに

46.名前: 膝十字固め(茨城県)@\(^o^)/ [GB]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:23:42.37 ID:3WJ3IWFf0.net

>>23
残業代を払わない会社があるから残業代を払う会社が潰れる。

47.名前: ヒップアタック(catv?)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:24:25.36 ID:jzighb9M0.net

死ぬほど働くのが好き?
我慢しろ!!

48.名前: クロイツラス(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [JP]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:24:30.79 ID:N+FOOA4F0.net

それなら年俸契約でええやろ

49.名前: ナガタロックII(大阪府)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:24:37.38 ID:5LJXp/+b0.net

>>45
まさにこれ 仕事中毒なくらいに仕事するなら
いっそ自分で起業すればいい

50.名前: テキサスクローバーホールド(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:24:56.30 ID:7HegwP4C0.net

非正規のままがいいっての大半なのに、全員正社員にしろと言ってるヤツみたいなもんか
非正規の待遇を改善するのが筋だろと。

>>1の場合は長時間労働が好きな人は少数だと思うけど

51.名前: 膝靭帯固め(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:25:18.66 ID:pztVtjZT0.net

>>34
2ちゃんやってさぼってるじゃん

52.名前: ツームストンパイルドライバー(静岡県)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:25:29.37 ID:4JTUcYKC0.net

>>23
俺も経営者だけど、残業は取引先との納期の絡みもあるけど基本的には売上伸びるぞ。
採算が悪化するとしたら経営の仕方に何か問題があると思うわ。

53.名前: マシンガンチョップ(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [DE]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:25:42.50 ID:rEC4rRa70.net

使えない社員が増えると会社がだめになるから求人だすのやめた

54.名前: 中年’sリフト(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [ヌコ]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:25:43.07 ID:PSjxR8qk0.net

俺が思うに、日本の労働生産性問題、ブラック問題を解消するには労働者側よりも消費者が変わらないとダメなんだよ。
欧米なら店員と客は全く対等だ。お客は神様だとか言っているうちはブラック問題は解消しないね。お客も社員も人間だ。
だから俺はお客から理不尽なこといったら断れ、問題になったら責任は俺がとる、とカスタマーサポートの子達にはいつも言っている。

55.名前: バックドロップ(滋賀県)@\(^o^)/ [FI]
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:26:05.45 ID:GaQ/eNz60.net

嫌って言ってる奴にまで強要すんじゃねーよ死ね

56.名前: フェイスクラッシャー(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:26:23.42 ID:Z7Etv75P0.net

総労働時間に対して給料が最低賃金を上回ってるならいいんじゃない?

57.名前: キチンシンク(茸)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]sag
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:26:57.02 ID:WAgNYXLg0.net

経営者からすると時間単位の成果が見えないことが厄介。
そういう働き方がいいなら独立すればいいのに。

58.名前: ボ ラギノール(岩手県)@\(^o^)/ [CN]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:27:22.66 ID:foiWGu4W0.net

芸能界は売れてるうちに稼がないといけないからな

59.名前: ボマイェ(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [US]sage
投稿日:2016/12/23(金) 10:28:24.73 ID:sL6ji73C0.net

エイベックスの人と仕事したことあるけど、
たしかに「好きでエンタメ業界の仕事」やってる人多いよ。
優秀な方も多いし。タレントマネジメントなんて常に24時間体勢みたいなもんだよ。

だから松浦社長の言うこともわかるんだけどね~。
制度を悪用する会社や、ゲスな経営者も多いからね。

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