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「憲法解釈変えたら次は徴兵制ですよ」民主・枝野幹事長

   

1.名前: ラ ケブラーダ(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:50:58.80 ID:P0DCyR9/0.net BE:512899213-PLT(26000) ポイント特典

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 (安倍政権が、集団的自衛権を行使できるよう憲法解釈を変更する閣議決定をしたことについて)
憲法解釈を都合よく変えてよいとなったら、次は「徴兵制」ですよ、みなさん。徴兵制だって、集団的
自衛権と一緒で、憲法に明確に(禁止と)は書いていない。集団的自衛権は(憲法に)駄目と書いて
いませんが、長年の解釈で自民党自身もだめと言ってきた。いまは「徴兵制なんて考えていません。
憲法違反」と、国会で答えている。だが、「(憲法は)苦役は駄目だと言っているだけで、徴兵は苦役
じゃない、名誉だ」と言い出せば、憲法違反じゃなくなる。
 勝手にときの権力者の解釈で(憲法解釈を)変更できることにしたら、いずれ間違いなく、徴兵制は
憲法違反じゃないと言い出す権力者がでてくる。そうなってからでは、遅い。

http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASH6P6X55H6PUTFK00M.html

(,;^ω^)…?201506220104050e2

2.名前: チキンウィングフェースロック(WiMAX)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:51:38.16 ID:kIYiBvNT0.net

憲法解釈で納得できないんだったら自民党が安保法案を出してるように
徴兵禁止法案でも出したらいいじゃないか
憲法って解釈で何もかも決めるって性質のものじゃない
しようともしないのは結局のところ徴兵制が来るぞーって
脅しを政治利用できなくなるからだろ?

3.名前: フライングニールキック(岐阜県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:51:50.20 ID:/fhEh9JA0.net

>  勝手にときの権力者の解釈で(憲法解釈を)変更できることにしたら、いずれ間違いなく、徴兵制は
> 憲法違反じゃないと言い出す権力者がでてくる。そうなってからでは、遅い。

それお前らの解釈だろ

4.名前: クロイツラス(大阪府)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:52:40.30 ID:drh4brKk0.net

民主党最低だな

5.名前: パイルドライバー(中部地方)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:52:42.14 ID:HmN2Slnp0.net

まーた、関係ない話を持ち出す

6.名前: ダイビングエルボードロップ(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:53:37.49 ID:Juq0oxQr0.net

お、共産党やミズポのランクまで堕ちたか

7.名前: フェイスクラッシャー(新疆ウイグル自治区)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:53:42.61 ID:9BlQAcM40.net

徴兵したら戦争になるのか?

8.名前: ウエスタンラリアット(新疆ウイグル自治区)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:54:07.04 ID:I8qi6Wbx0.net

個別的自衛権に拘るほど徴兵制を視野に入れる必要があるはずだろ
自衛隊が持つべき能力と言うのは憲法で決まるのではなく近隣諸国とのパワーバランスによる
他国との連携をせず単独で中国の海洋進出(侵略)に対抗するなら日本自身の防衛力拡充が議論の俎上になければおかしい
それが解釈論のみで政策的合理性抜きで徴兵制の危険性が集団自衛そのものにあるかのようなミスリード

反対のための反対なんかやってるから道理がメチャクチャになってる
実に悪質なミスリードと言わざるを得ない

9.名前: ストレッチプラム(東日本)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:54:14.34 ID:FEB3/jxWO.net

革マル枝野

10.名前: フルネルソンスープレックス(埼玉県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:54:28.26 ID:kDZdptNk0.net

ブサヨ「ネトウヨは中国危機を煽るな」
「憲法解釈変更の後は徴兵制ですよ」

これは…

11.名前: ハイキック(兵庫県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:54:33.38 ID:Kho2ipzz0.net

国会議員は5代前の戸籍提示を義務化して
反対賛成の背景知りたいし

スポンサーリンク

12.名前: ドラゴンスープレックス(dion軍)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:55:58.58 ID:Xe63Kohw0.net

ただちに影響はないな

13.名前: ジャストフェイスロック(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:56:35.71 ID:4SLMj/BK0.net

「徴兵法案」が提出されたら反対すればいいんだろ。

14.名前: ボマイェ(catv?)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:56:40.72 ID:YxFuyH+v0.net

こうやってありもしない事をさも事実のように語るこの悪徳議員を野放しにしてて良いのだろうか

15.名前: タイガースープレックス(広島県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:57:43.49 ID:UHKQ20Zn0.net

何を言っているのかわからない

16.名前: リバースパワースラム(新疆ウイグル自治区)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:58:02.15 ID:MLQi8U1V0.net

つーか、こいつら徴兵したとしてどこの部隊で使うと思っているの?
どうやって兵隊展開するの?
海と空はど素人使えないぞw
兵隊展開するにも輸送船ないぞw

17.名前: ローリングソバット(宮城県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:58:34.71 ID:WA4s9I2d0.net

徴兵制も4次防、PKO、イラク派遣と何回言われてきたことか

18.名前: チキンウィングフェースロック(WiMAX)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:59:13.24 ID:kIYiBvNT0.net

ただちに影響ない心配するほどではない
 ↓
いつどうやってかはさっぱりわからないけど徴兵になりますよ

ずいぶん心配性になったんだな

19.名前: 32文ロケット砲(茸)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:59:14.74 ID:pTsGOoYw0.net

どう解釈したら徴兵制を制定することになるのか是非国会で詳しく誰もが納得できるよう解説していただきたい

20.名前: フライングニールキック(岐阜県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:59:18.49 ID:/fhEh9JA0.net

>>8
騙されてるやつ多いよなw
うちの親父も同じこと言ってる

21.名前: ファイナルカット(dion軍)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 22:59:20.57 ID:Am38v4UQ0.net

富国強兵は良いことだ。
日本の意志で戦争を抑止しやすくなる。

22.名前: ボマイェ(catv?)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:00:22.40 ID:YxFuyH+v0.net

方向性が完全に斜め上過ぎて、妄想癖のキチガイにしか思えないけど
言ってる事の半分は事実なんだよね、徴兵云々は置いといて
憲法のクソ解釈で何でも出来ると、実際にやってみせた下痢便安倍はもうね、マジクソだから早急に退いて欲しいわ
ただ困った事に、下痢便の後釜が想像できない

まず、改憲した後に、名実ともに自衛隊の存在を認め、その軍事力の適用範囲を明確に定めるのであれば
何処にも矛盾は出ないし、問題なかった、安倍はアホ

23.名前: ランサルセ(兵庫県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:00:35.07 ID:ltKUeLke0.net

不安を煽るのはサヨクの常だな

24.名前: バックドロップ(北海道)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:00:36.05 ID:OESaDlMC0.net

徴兵制か超平成

25.名前: ミドルキック(青森県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:01:42.41 ID:Mr64aUHU0.net

自衛隊が迷惑するだけ

26.名前: ジャンピングエルボーアタック(庭)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:02:02.99 ID:tyXGq/pS0.net

その時が徴兵制が必要な状況ならそれはもう仕方ないんじゃないか

27.名前: 16文キック(空)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:02:03.07 ID:m59SHXwF0.net

>>22
いま改正出来るのかよ

28.名前: トペ スイシーダ(大阪府)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:02:26.40 ID:497MsMZe0.net

民主政権なら確実な徴兵制を「韓国で」行います

29.名前: フルネルソンスープレックス(埼玉県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:02:36.93 ID:kDZdptNk0.net

憲法改正して徴兵禁止すればいい

30.名前: ジャストフェイスロック(愛知県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:02:46.24 ID:KfJHdIuf0.net

>>25
自衛隊の意義がなくなるなw

31.名前: キドクラッチ(愛知県)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:02:51.29 ID:RKKP9GHS0.net

ここまで徴兵制を悪の制度みたいに言っといて徴兵制度ある韓国を崇拝してるのがよく分からんな。

32.名前: ボマイェ(catv?)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:02:51.58 ID:YxFuyH+v0.net

安倍下痢三は致命的なクソ無能と無茶やってんのに
それを批判するアホのミンスがアホ過ぎて、本来の問題を見えにくくしてる、アホミンスは本当に害悪
枝野はリアルに死ねばいいのに

33.名前: ナガタロックII(千葉県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:04:07.71 ID:GVtQjuiJ0.net

現代の戦争素人集めても役立たねぇだろうが猿でも解る
クソ左翼も足引っ張るのになりふり構わないって感じだな

34.名前: ダイビングヘッドバット(千葉県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:04:17.18 ID:a22GYSyg0.net

スイスに倣う中立国目指すなら兵役も出てくるでしょ
どこの争いにも介入しないと言うのはどこと争いになっても誰も助けてくれないって事だ

35.名前: レッドインク(埼玉県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:04:43.18 ID:hqrngVmQ0.net

「こう考えてるに違いない!」「こうするに決まってる!」
から始まる議論が多すぎて、本当に世の中ってバカが多いんだなぁって思うよ。

典型的な藁人形論法じゃねえか。

36.名前: ジャーマンスープレックス(京都府)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:05:16.23 ID:W81L7ZmW0.net

やる気も能力もないゴミ徴兵しても足手まといなだけだろ

37.名前: ウエスタンラリアット(神奈川県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:06:52.55 ID:4cSLTFro0.net

年寄りには効くと思ってんだろうなーw

38.名前: 膝靭帯固め(兵庫県)@\(^o^)/
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:07:29.19 ID:54qH+3zi0.net

ただちに徴兵はないだろ・・

39.名前: ドラゴンスープレックス(dion軍)@\(^o^)/sage
投稿日:2015/06/21(日) 23:08:06.44 ID:V34Sv0HF0.net

超平成ってなんか金髪逆立ってそう

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